Re: [ACTION-262] Two issues

Sounds fine to me.

Cheers,
Karl

On 20.11.2012 23:08, Felix Sasaki wrote:
> Hi Arle, Pedro, all,
>
> I tried to split the two topics, see item 20 at
> http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/drafts/its20/its20.html#changelog-since-20121023
>
> Best,
>
> Felix
>
>
>
> Am 20.11.12 13:41, schrieb Pedro L. Díez Orzas:
>>
>> Dear Arle,
>>
>> It is fine to me. I do not know if Karl and Mauricio agree.
>>
>> All the best,
>>
>> Pedro
>>
>> *De:*Arle Lommel [mailto:arle.lommel@dfki.de]
>> *Enviado el:* martes, 20 de noviembre de 2012 10:31
>> *Para:* Multilingual Web LT Public List Public List
>> *Asunto:* [ACTION-262] Two issues
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> In working with Pedro's text, I realized that it actually addresses 
>> two related but distinct issues:
>>
>> 1. That you shouldn't use Allowed Characters to try to exclude HTML 
>> mark-up and that this data category should not be "abused" to exclude 
>> HTML content.
>>
>> 2. That we don't have any way to apply data categories within plain 
>> text content and that there may be ways to work around this issue.
>>
>> #1 clearly belongs in Allowed Characters. I've gone ahead and added 
>> that bit (essentially an edited version of Pedro's first paragraph).
>>
>> #2 is a general issue that is /not/ specific to this category and, I 
>> think, should be placed elsewhere. This is really implementation 
>> guidance that could be quite important in setting the scope of what 
>> ITS 2.0 can and cannot do:
>>
>>     For content fields which allow only plain text content, the
>>     current ITS 2.0 data categories can by applied only globally, and
>>     not with local attributes. This issue should be addressed in
>>     another way external to the ITS 2.0 standard. While prescribing
>>     methods to address this issue is beyond the scope of this
>>     specification, one possible way would be to allow markup in
>>     fields where possible and, where allowing HTML is not possible,
>>     to use an extra field that allows HTML input and then create a
>>     plain text version from that input for use where needed.
>>
>> I see why they were connected in what Pedro did, but I believe they 
>> need to be separated.
>>
>> Any suggestion where the second bit should go?
>>
>> -Arle
>>
>> On 2012 Nov 6, at 18:34 , Pedro L. Díez Orzas 
>> <pedro.diez@linguaserve.com <mailto:pedro.diez@linguaserve.com>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Dear all,
>>
>> I send you the text. If you agree, you can close the action 262.
>>
>> «Allowed characters is not intended to disallow HTML markup. The 
>> purpose is to restrict the content to various characters only, like 
>> when the content is used for URL or filename generation. In most of 
>> the Web-Content-Management-Systems content is divided into several 
>> fields. Some fields are restricted to plain text, while in other 
>> fields HTML fragments are allowed.
>>
>> For fields which only allow plain text, the current ITS 2.0 data 
>> categories can only applied globally and not with local attributes. 
>> This issue should be addressed in another way, apart from the ITS 2.0 
>> standard. One way would be to allow HTML in these fields if possible, 
>> or using an extra field which allows HTML input and save the plain 
>> text of this extra field in the plain text field.»
>>
>>
>> All the best,
>>
>> Pedro
>>
>


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