Re: shapes-ISSUE-197 (Defined ): "Defined" and "declared" used in multiple ways, and not defined [SHACL Spec]

How is this different from the following (interchangeable, as far as I can tell) use of the words of ‘define’, ‘describe’ , ‘declare’ and ‘represent’ in  https://www.w3.org/TR/owl-ref/ <https://www.w3.org/TR/owl-ref/>?

A  <>class description of the "enumeration" kind is defined with the owl:oneOf <http://www.w3.org/TR/2004/REC-owl-semantics-20040210/#owl_oneOf> property. The value of this built-in OWL property must be a list of individuals that are the instances <https://www.w3.org/TR/owl-ref/#Individual> of the class. This enables a class to be described by exhaustively enumerating its instances. The class extension of a class described with owl:oneOf contains exactly the enumerated individuals, no more, no less. The list of individuals is typically represented with the help of the RDF construct rdf:parseType="Collection", which provides a convenient shorthand for writing down a set of list elements. For example, the following RDF/XML syntax defines a class of all continents:
<owl:Class>
  <owl:oneOf rdf:parseType="Collection">
    <owl:Thing rdf:about="#Eurasia"/>
    <owl:Thing rdf:about="#Africa"/>
    <owl:Thing rdf:about="#NorthAmerica"/>
    <owl:Thing rdf:about="#SouthAmerica"/>
    <owl:Thing rdf:about="#Australia"/>
    <owl:Thing rdf:about="#Antarctica"/>
  </owl:oneOf>
</owl:Class>
and

The following example defines a class of individuals which have at least one parent who is a physician:

<owl:Restriction>
  <owl:onProperty rdf:resource="#hasParent" />
  <owl:someValuesFrom rdf:resource="#Physician" />
</owl:Restriction>
and

The following example describes the class of individuals who have the individual referred to as Clinton as their parent:

<owl:Restriction>
  <owl:onProperty rdf:resource="#hasParent" />
  <owl:hasValue rdf:resource="#Clinton" />
</owl:Restriction>
and

if the class description C1 is defined as a subclass of class description C2, then the set of individuals in the class extension of C1 should be a subset of the set of individuals in the class extension of C2. A class is by definition a subclass of itself (as the subset may be the complete set).

An example:

<owl:Class rdf:ID="Opera">
  <rdfs:subClassOf rdf:resource="#MusicalWork" />
</owl:Class>
This class axiom declares a subclass relation between two OWL classes that are described through their names (Opera and MusicalWork). 



I think we are wasting valuable time on this particular item. [A I said previously, I do think that the terms ‘shape description’ or ‘shape definition’ are worth defining]

Further, to me, the version of the sentence below that uses “defined using” is much clearer and more intuitive than the version that uses “of”. 

Irene

> On Nov 25, 2016, at 11:34 AM, Karen Coyle <kcoyle@kcoyle.net> wrote:
> 
> That's fine if the usage is unambiguous and follows the normal meaning of "define", and there are many clear uses of define in document, which I noted previously. If it is used to mean "provides a definition for" then it's fine. There are other times when it is used to mean "has as value" or simple "is" - as in
> 
> "Note also that a qualified cardinality constraint defined using sh:qualifiedValueShape, sh:qualifiedMinCount, and sh:qualifiedMaxCount is equivalent to a sh:partition constraint that..."
> 
> In those cases, the term "defined" is less precise than:
> 
> Note also that a qualified cardinality constraint of either sh:qualifiedValueShape, sh:qualifiedMinCount, and sh:qualifiedMaxCount is equivalent to a sh:partition constraint that..."
> 
> There's no need for define here, and nothing is really being defined. The use of these properties is not definitional, it simply "is" and should be stated that way.
> 
> kc
> 
> On 11/24/16 6:14 PM, Irene Polikoff wrote:
>> Several W3C specs use the words ‘define’, ‘describe’ and ‘specify’
>> without saying what these words mean. They also, at times, use them
>> interchangeably.
>> 
>> For example, I think in the following passage from RDFS spec, ‘define’
>> and ‘describe’ are used interchangeably:
>> 
>>    "rdfs:isDefinedBy is an instance of rdf:Property that is used to
>>    indicate a resource defining the subject resource. This property may
>>    be used to indicate an RDF vocabulary *in which a resource is
>>    described.*
>> 
>>    A triple of the form:
>> 
>>    S rdfs:isDefinedBy O
>> 
>>    states that the *resource O defines S*.”
>> 
>> The word ‘declare’ or its derivation such as ‘declaration’ is used more
>> rarely, but there is some usage. For example, in the RDFS spec:
>> 
>> 
>>    "Although it is possible to combine use rdfs:domain and rdfs:range
>>    with sub-property hierarchies, direct support for such declarations
>>    are provided by richer Web Ontology languages such as OWL.”
>> 
>> 
>> OWL spec also makes an extensive use of words ‘define’ or ‘describe’
>> without defining them. However, it attempts to define something called
>> ‘class description’ and ‘class definition’ e.g.,
>> in https://www.w3.org/TR/2004/REC-owl-features-20040210/:
>> 
>>    "A class description is the term used in this document (and in the
>>    OWL Semantics and Abstract Syntax) for the basic building blocks of
>>    class axioms (informally called class definitions in the Overview
>>    and Guide documents). A class description describes an OWL class,
>>    either by a class name or by specifying the class extension of an
>>    unnamed anonymous class.”
>> 
>> 
>> And in https://www.w3.org/TR/owl-guide/
>> 
>>    Class Definition
>>        informal term for an owl:Class element
>>    Class Description
>>        describes an OWL class, either by a class name or by specifying
>>        a class extension of an unnamed anonymous class
>> 
>> 
>> The specification makes an extensive use of the phrase “class description”.
>> 
>> With this, I question the need to formally define words such as
>> “define”, “describe”, etc. because all other specs seem to rely on the
>> common sense interpretation of these words. It may be useful to define
>> “shape description” and/or “shape definition'. This could also help to
>> resolve Issue-209.
>> 
>> Irene Polikoff
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 11/24/16, 3:22 PM, "Karen Coyle" <kcoyle@kcoyle.net
>> <mailto:kcoyle@kcoyle.net <mailto:kcoyle@kcoyle.net>>> wrote:
>> 
>>    I would advise choosing only one of them, and removing "sometimes" from
>>    the statement, which makes it something you cannot rely on - in other
>>    words, are they used other times for something else? is something else
>>    sometimes used in their place?:
>> 
>>    "(In this document, the verbs <em>specify</em> or <em>declare</em> are
>>    sometimes used to express the fact that a node has property values in a
>>    graph.)"
>> 
>>    I haven't read through the uses at this point.
>> 
>>    kc
>> 
>>    On 11/23/16 9:11 PM, Holger Knublauch wrote:
>> 
>>        I have gone through the whole document, replacing most usages of
>>        "define" with either "specify" or "declare". I have also added
>>        definitions of these two terms to the beginning of the document:
>> 
>>        https://github.com/w3c/data-shapes/commit/92407af35824a7100845b4a84884c86de086b9d7
>> 
>>        Holger
>> 
>> 
>>        On 19/11/2016 2:15, Irene Polikoff wrote:
>> 
>>            I would use "specified" for the second meaning of "defined".
>>            I think
>>            "declared" would work as well. "Described" - may be, but
>>            would not be
>>            my first choice.
>> 
>>            On Thu, Nov 17, 2016 at 5:21 PM, RDF Data Shapes Working
>>            Group Issue
>>            Tracker <sysbot+tracker@w3.org <mailto:sysbot+tracker@w3.org>
>>            <mailto:sysbot+tracker@w3.org <mailto:sysbot+tracker@w3.org>>
>>            <mailto:sysbot+tracker@w3.org>> wrote:
>> 
>>                 shapes-ISSUE-197 (Defined ): "Defined" and "declared"
>>            used in
>>                 multiple ways, and not defined [SHACL Spec]
>> 
>>                 http://www.w3.org/2014/data-shapes/track/issues/197
>>                 <http://www.w3.org/2014/data-shapes/track/issues/197>
>> 
>>                 Raised by: Karen Coyle
>>                 On product: SHACL Spec
>> 
>>                 >From Peter's email [1]:
>> 
>>                 "Constraints are defined within a shape"
>> 
>>                 "Defined within" is not defined.
>> 
>>                 "Constraints that declare more than one parameters, such as
>>                 sh:pattern, are
>>                 not allowed to be declared more than once in the same
>>            constraint."
>> 
>>                 The first two uses of "declare" come from section
>>            6.2.  A core
>>                 definition is
>>                 needed.
>> 
>>                 The last use of "declared" is not defined.
>> 
>>                 "declare" is used for many different purposes, most of
>>            them undefined.
>> 
>>                 ******* More analysis *******
>>                 The use of defined in its normal sense of "having a
>>            definition" is
>>                 ok. Example:
>> 
>>                 "The parameter name is defined as the local name of the
>>            value of
>>                 sh:predicate."
>> 
>>                 The use of defined to mean something like "takes as a
>>            value" or
>>                 "is coded as" is less clear:
>> 
>>                 "Property constraints are defined in a shape with the
>>            property
>>                 sh:property."
>>                 "Based on the parameter IRIs on the tables, pre-bound
>>            variables
>>                 are defined using the parameter names."
>> 
>>                 In some cases, the term "declare" is used in the same
>>            way as the
>>                 second meaning of define:
>>                 " Constraint components declare one or more parameter
>>            properties
>>                 and validation instructions (such as those implemented
>>            as SPARQL
>>                 queries) that can be used to perform the validation for
>>            the given
>>                 focus node and parameter values."
>> 
>>                 Suggest:
>>                 - use "defined" for "is given a definition or meaning
>>            in this or
>>                 other texts
>>                 - do not use "declare"
>>                 - find a more precise term for the second meaning of
>>            "defined"
>>                 that specifically addresses the creation of properties
>>            and values,
>>                 regardless of how "definitional" they are.
>> 
>>                 (Note how this is used in the SKOS document:
>>            "Therefore, while
>>                 SKOS can be used to describe a concept scheme, SKOS
>>            does not
>>                 provide any mechanism to completely define a concept
>>            scheme."
>>                 Could "describe" be used for this second meaning of
>>            "define"? That
>>                 still seems imprecise for the specific cases in SHACL.)
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>    --
>>    Karen Coyle
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>> 
>> 
> 
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