ISSUE-73

predefined-voc

Overlap of "predefined vocabularies" with other specifications

State:

OPEN

Product:

HTML 5 spec

Raised by:

Julian Reschke

Opened on:

2009-06-03

Description:

Recently, new sections have been added to the spec, defining embedding/extraction of data in various formats, such as vCard, iCalendar, Atom, and BibTex.

The issues mentioned below a primarily about the vCard related stuff, but similar concerns apply to iCalendar and Atom as well (which both are IETF specs as well).

Procedural - the WG is working on trying to find consensus on all 
sections of the spec; sections without consensus are to be removed (at 
least that's my understanding of the process). Also, the editor himself 
announced a "feature freeze" quite some time ago. So, why are we seeing 
these new sections without *any* prior discussion?

Spec Size - the spec already is big, and there is no evidence that this 
needs to be specified *inside* the HTML5 spec.

Extensibility - the current chapter copies terminology from RFC2426, but 
misses it's extensibility hooks, and thus fails to mention things that 
have been defined later, such as the IMPP type name.

Parsing - for some types, parsing rules are being rephrased from 
RFC2426. There is a risk that they diverge.

Versioning - the IETF is revising vCard, see 
<http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-vcarddav-vcardrev-07>. Is HTML5 
going to freeze the vocabulary at a version that the IETF is currently 
obsoleting?

HTML5-SPEC-SECTIONS [predefined-vocabularies predefined-vocabularies-0]

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PROPOSED RESOLUTION:
Resolved by a spec change that has moved the predefined vocabularies out of HTML5 and into separate drafts, none of which the HTML5 draft references or has any dependency on.
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Related Actions Items:

• ACTION-123 on Sam Ruby to Discuss choice of embedding vcard microdata instead of referencing IETF spec and defining conformance reqs for HTML5 - due 2009-10-31, closed

Related emails:

1. minutes Re: {agenda} HTML WG telcon 2009-10-29: issues, action items, calls for consensus/proposals, task forces, F2F... (from cooper@w3.org on 2009-10-29)
2. Re: {agenda} HTML WG telcon 2009-10-29: issues, action items, calls for consensus/proposals, task forces, F2F... (from singer@apple.com on 2009-10-29)
3. {agenda} HTML WG telcon 2009-10-29: issues, action items, calls for consensus/proposals, task forces, F2F... (from rubys@intertwingly.net on 2009-10-28)
4. Re: Microdata vocabulary specifications (from mjs@apple.com on 2009-10-05)
5. Re: Microdata vocabulary specifications (from mike@w3.org on 2009-10-05)
6. ISSUE-73, was: Microdata vocabulary specifications (from julian.reschke@gmx.de on 2009-10-05)
7. Re: Microdata vocabulary specifications (from mike@w3.org on 2009-10-05)
8. Producing Atom (was: Microdata vocabulary specifications) (from rubys@intertwingly.net on 2009-10-04)
9. Re: Microdata vocabulary specifications (from ian@hixie.ch on 2009-10-04)
10. Re: Microdata vocabulary specifications (from ian@hixie.ch on 2009-10-04)
11. Re: Microdata vocabulary specifications (from julian.reschke@gmx.de on 2009-10-04)
12. Re: Microdata vocabulary specifications (from jonas@sicking.cc on 2009-10-04)
13. Re: Microdata vocabulary specifications (from mjs@apple.com on 2009-10-03)
14. Re: ISSUE-73 (from julian.reschke@gmx.de on 2009-09-10)
15. Agenda for HTML WG telcon 2009-09-10 - Accessibility TF, Testing TF, etc (from Paul.Cotton@microsoft.com on 2009-09-09)
16. FW: Agenda for HTML WG telcon 2009-09-10 - Accessibility TF, Testing TF, etc (from Paul.Cotton@microsoft.com on 2009-09-09)
17. ISSUE-73 (was: Agenda for HTML WG telcon 2009-09-10) (from rubys@intertwingly.net on 2009-09-09)
18. Re: ISSUE-73 (Overlap of 'predefined vocabularies' with other specifications), was: Concerns about new section 'predefined vocabularies' (from julian.reschke@gmx.de on 2009-07-24)
19. Re: ISSUE-73 (Overlap of 'predefined vocabularies' with other specifications), was: Concerns about new section 'predefined vocabularies' (from ian@hixie.ch on 2009-07-24)
20. RE: ISSUE-73 (Overlap of 'predefined vocabularies' with other specifications), was: Concerns about new section 'predefined vocabularies' (from masinter@adobe.com on 2009-07-23)
21. Re: ISSUE-73 (Overlap of 'predefined vocabularies' with other specifications), was: Concerns about new section 'predefined vocabularies' (from julian.reschke@gmx.de on 2009-07-23)
22. Re: ISSUE-73 (Overlap of 'predefined vocabularies' with other specifications), was: Concerns about new section 'predefined vocabularies' (from ian@hixie.ch on 2009-07-23)
23. Re: ISSUE-73 (Overlap of 'predefined vocabularies' with other specifications), was: Concerns about new section 'predefined vocabularies' (from julian.reschke@gmx.de on 2009-07-21)
24. Re: ISSUE-73 (Overlap of 'predefined vocabularies' with other specifications), was: Concerns about new section 'predefined vocabularies' (from ian@hixie.ch on 2009-07-21)
25. Re: ISSUE-73 (Overlap of 'predefined vocabularies' with other specifications), was: Concerns about new section 'predefined vocabularies' (from julian.reschke@gmx.de on 2009-07-21)
26. Re: ISSUE-73 (Overlap of 'predefined vocabularies' with other specifications), was: Concerns about new section 'predefined vocabularies' (from ian@hixie.ch on 2009-07-21)
27. Re: ISSUE-73 (Overlap of 'predefined vocabularies' with other specifications), was: Concerns about new section 'predefined vocabularies' (from jonas@sicking.cc on 2009-07-16)
28. Re: ISSUE-73 (Overlap of 'predefined vocabularies' with other specifications), was: Concerns about new section 'predefined vocabularies' (from mjs@apple.com on 2009-07-16)
29. Re: ISSUE-73 (Overlap of 'predefined vocabularies' with other specifications), was: Concerns about new section 'predefined vocabularies' (from ian@hixie.ch on 2009-07-16)
30. Re: ISSUE-73 (Overlap of 'predefined vocabularies' with other specifications), was: Concerns about new section 'predefined vocabularies' (from jgraham@opera.com on 2009-07-16)
31. Re: ISSUE-73 (Overlap of 'predefined vocabularies' with other specifications), was: Concerns about new section 'predefined vocabularies' (from julian.reschke@gmx.de on 2009-07-16)
32. Re: ISSUE-73 (Overlap of 'predefined vocabularies' with other specifications), was: Concerns about new section 'predefined vocabularies' (from ian@hixie.ch on 2009-07-16)
33. Re: ISSUE-73 (Overlap of 'predefined vocabularies' with other specifications), was: Concerns about new section 'predefined vocabularies' (from jgraham@opera.com on 2009-07-15)
34. Re: ISSUE-73 (Overlap of 'predefined vocabularies' with other specifications), was: Concerns about new section 'predefined vocabularies' (from julian.reschke@gmx.de on 2009-07-08)
35. Re: ISSUE-73 (Overlap of 'predefined vocabularies' with other specifications), was: Concerns about new section 'predefined vocabularies' (from ian@hixie.ch on 2009-07-08)
36. ISSUE-73 (Overlap of 'predefined vocabularies' with other specifications), was: Concerns about new section 'predefined vocabularies' (from julian.reschke@gmx.de on 2009-06-10)
37. ISSUE-73 (predefined-voc): Overlap of 'predefined vocabularies' with other specifications [HTML 5 spec] (from sysbot+tracker@w3.org on 2009-06-03)

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