ISSUE-55

head-profile

head/@profile missing, but used in other specifications/formats

State:
OPEN
Product:
HTML 5 spec
Raised by:
Julian Reschke
Opened on:
2008-06-26
Description:
HTML5 drops the profile attribute on <head>.

It may not be widely used, but it is used, and this issue is being raised to track the progress on resolving this problem.

Related:

GRDDL use of profile: <http://www.w3.org/TR/grddl/#grddl-xhtml>

Microformats use of profile: "In hcalendar-issues, it is ACCEPTED that each microformat should have a profile URI, like the XFN profile (http://gmpg.org/xfn/11)." -- <http://microformats.org/wiki/profile-uris> as of 2008-06-26.

editor's position:
HTML4's profile="" attribute's absence in HTML5   Ian Hickson 
http://lists.whatwg.org/pipermail/whatwg-whatwg.org/2008-May/014692.html
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2008May/0102.html

dissenting view:

let's keep metadata profiles (head/@profile) in HTML for use in GRDDL etc.
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2007Jul/0571.html

HTML5-SPEC-SECTIONS [the-head-element]
Related Actions Items:
Related emails:
  1. Re: {agenda} HTML WG telcon 2009-11-19: issues, action items, calls for consensus/proposals, task force reports (from oradnio@gmail.com on 2009-11-19)
  2. Re: {agenda} HTML WG telcon 2009-11-19: issues, action items, calls for consensus/proposals, task force reports (from laura.lee.carlson@gmail.com on 2009-11-19)
  3. {agenda} HTML WG telcon 2009-11-19: issues, action items, calls for consensus/proposals, task force reports (from Paul.Cotton@microsoft.com on 2009-11-18)
  4. {agenda} HTML WG telcon 2009-11-19: issues, action items, calls for consensus/proposals, task force reports (from Paul.Cotton@microsoft.com on 2009-11-18)
  5. ISSUE-55, was: Thoughts on @profile (from julian.reschke@gmx.de on 2009-11-17)
  6. Re: ISSUE-55: Re-enable @profile in HTML5 (draft 2) (from julian.reschke@gmx.de on 2009-11-13)
  7. Re: ISSUE-55: Re-enable @profile in HTML5 (draft 2) (from xn--mlform-iua@xn--mlform-iua.no on 2009-11-12)
  8. Re: ISSUE-55: Re-enable @profile in HTML5 (draft 2) (from hsivonen@iki.fi on 2009-11-11)
  9. Re: ISSUE-55: Re-enable @profile in HTML5 (draft 2) (from msporny@digitalbazaar.com on 2009-11-11)
  10. Re: ISSUE-55: Re-enable @profile in HTML5 (draft 2) (from xn--mlform-iua@xn--mlform-iua.no on 2009-11-07)
  11. Re: ISSUE-55: Re-enable @profile in HTML5 (draft 2) (from jonas@sicking.cc on 2009-11-07)
  12. Re: ISSUE-55: Re-enable @profile in HTML5 (draft 2) (from xn--mlform-iua@xn--mlform-iua.no on 2009-11-06)
  13. Re: ISSUE-55: Re-enable @profile in HTML5 (draft 2) (from jeremy@adactio.com on 2009-11-05)
  14. Re: ISSUE-55: Re-enable @profile in HTML5 (draft 2) (from xn--mlform-iua@xn--mlform-iua.no on 2009-11-05)
  15. Re: ISSUE-55: Re-enable @profile in HTML5 (draft 2) (from xn--mlform-iua@xn--mlform-iua.no on 2009-11-04)
  16. Re: ISSUE-55: Re-enable @profile in HTML5 (draft 2) (from Dr.O.Hoffmann@gmx.de on 2009-11-04)
  17. Re: ISSUE-55: Re-enable @profile in HTML5 (draft 2) (from julian.reschke@gmx.de on 2009-11-04)
  18. Re: ISSUE-55: Re-enable @profile in HTML5 (draft 2) (from hsivonen@iki.fi on 2009-11-04)
  19. Re: ISSUE-55: Re-enable @profile in HTML5 (draft 2) (from xn--mlform-iua@xn--mlform-iua.no on 2009-11-04)
  20. Re: ISSUE-55: Re-enable @profile in HTML5 (draft 2) (from xn--mlform-iua@xn--mlform-iua.no on 2009-11-04)
  21. Re: ISSUE-55: Re-enable @profile in HTML5 (draft 2) (from julian.reschke@gmx.de on 2009-11-04)
  22. Re: ISSUE-55: Re-enable @profile in HTML5 (draft 2) (from hsivonen@iki.fi on 2009-11-04)
  23. Re: ISSUE-55: Re-enable @profile in HTML5 (draft 2) (from julian.reschke@gmx.de on 2009-11-04)
  24. Re: ISSUE-55: Re-enable @profile in HTML5 (draft 2) (from hsivonen@iki.fi on 2009-11-04)
  25. ISSUE-55: Re-enable @profile in HTML5 (draft 2) (from msporny@digitalbazaar.com on 2009-11-03)
  26. minutes Re: {agenda} HTML WG telcon 2009-10-29: issues, action items, calls for consensus/proposals, task forces, F2F... (from cooper@w3.org on 2009-10-29)
  27. Re: {agenda} HTML WG telcon 2009-10-29: issues, action items, calls for consensus/proposals, task forces, F2F... (from singer@apple.com on 2009-10-29)
  28. Re: {agenda} HTML WG telcon 2009-10-29: issues, action items, calls for consensus/proposals, task forces, F2F... (from msporny@digitalbazaar.com on 2009-10-29)
  29. {agenda} HTML WG telcon 2009-10-29: issues, action items, calls for consensus/proposals, task forces, F2F... (from rubys@intertwingly.net on 2009-10-28)
  30. Re: ISSUE-55: Re-enable @profile in HTML5 (draft 1) (from julian.reschke@gmx.de on 2009-10-14)
  31. Re: ISSUE-55: Re-enable @profile in HTML5 (draft 1) (from ian@hixie.ch on 2009-10-13)
  32. Re: ISSUE-55: Re-enable @profile in HTML5 (draft 1) (from msporny@digitalbazaar.com on 2009-10-13)
  33. Re: ISSUE-55: Re-enable @profile in HTML5 (draft 1) (from julian.reschke@gmx.de on 2009-10-12)
  34. Re: ISSUE-55: Re-enable @profile in HTML5 (draft 1) (from mjs@apple.com on 2009-10-12)
  35. Re: ISSUE-55: Re-enable @profile in HTML5 (draft 1) (from julian.reschke@gmx.de on 2009-10-12)
  36. Re: ISSUE-55: Re-enable @profile in HTML5 (draft 1) (from Smylers@stripey.com on 2009-10-12)
  37. Re: ISSUE-55: Re-enable @profile in HTML5 (draft 1) (from mjs@apple.com on 2009-10-12)
  38. Re: ISSUE-55: Re-enable @profile in HTML5 (draft 1) (from julian.reschke@gmx.de on 2009-10-12)
  39. Re: ISSUE-55: Re-enable @profile in HTML5 (draft 1) (from mjs@apple.com on 2009-10-12)
  40. Re: ISSUE-55: Re-enable @profile in HTML5 (draft 1) (from julian.reschke@gmx.de on 2009-10-12)
  41. Re: ISSUE-55: Re-enable @profile in HTML5 (draft 1) (from hsivonen@iki.fi on 2009-10-12)
  42. Re: ISSUE-55: Re-enable @profile in HTML5 (draft 1) (from mjs@apple.com on 2009-10-12)
  43. Re: ISSUE-55: Re-enable @profile in HTML5 (draft 1) (from jonas@sicking.cc on 2009-10-12)
  44. Re: ISSUE-55: Re-enable @profile in HTML5 (draft 1) (from jonas@sicking.cc on 2009-10-12)
  45. Re: ISSUE-55: Re-enable @profile in HTML5 (draft 1) (from mjs@apple.com on 2009-10-12)
  46. Re: ISSUE-55: Re-enable @profile in HTML5 (draft 1) (from julian.reschke@gmx.de on 2009-10-12)
  47. Re: ISSUE-55: Re-enable @profile in HTML5 (draft 1) (from julian.reschke@gmx.de on 2009-10-12)
  48. Re: ISSUE-55: Re-enable @profile in HTML5 (draft 1) (from hsivonen@iki.fi on 2009-10-12)
  49. Re: ISSUE-55: Re-enable @profile in HTML5 (draft 1) (from julian.reschke@gmx.de on 2009-10-12)
  50. Re: ISSUE-55: Re-enable @profile in HTML5 (draft 1) (from Smylers@stripey.com on 2009-10-12)
  51. Re: ISSUE-55: Re-enable @profile in HTML5 (draft 1) (from hsivonen@iki.fi on 2009-10-12)
  52. Re: ISSUE-55: Re-enable @profile in HTML5 (draft 1) (from hsivonen@iki.fi on 2009-10-12)
  53. Re: ISSUE-55: Re-enable @profile in HTML5 (draft 1) (from ian@hixie.ch on 2009-10-12)
  54. Re: ISSUE-55: Re-enable @profile in HTML5 (draft 1) (from msporny@digitalbazaar.com on 2009-10-12)
  55. Re: ISSUE-55: Re-enable @profile in HTML5 (draft 1) (from jonas@sicking.cc on 2009-10-11)
  56. Re: ISSUE-55: Re-enable @profile in HTML5 (draft 1) (from jonas@sicking.cc on 2009-10-11)
  57. Re: ISSUE-55: Re-enable @profile in HTML5 (draft 1) (from mjs@apple.com on 2009-10-10)
  58. Re: ISSUE-55: Re-enable @profile in HTML5 (draft 1) (from mjs@apple.com on 2009-10-10)
  59. Re: ISSUE-55: Re-enable @profile in HTML5 (draft 1) (from tai@g5n.co.uk on 2009-10-10)
  60. Re: ISSUE-55: Re-enable @profile in HTML5 (draft 1) (from Smylers@stripey.com on 2009-10-10)
  61. Re: ISSUE-55: Re-enable @profile in HTML5 (draft 1) (from msporny@digitalbazaar.com on 2009-10-10)
  62. Re: ISSUE-55: Re-enable @profile in HTML5 (draft 1) (from msporny@digitalbazaar.com on 2009-10-10)
  63. Re: ISSUE-55: Re-enable @profile in HTML5 (draft 1) (from msporny@digitalbazaar.com on 2009-10-10)
  64. Re: ISSUE-55: Re-enable @profile in HTML5 (draft 1) (from mjs@apple.com on 2009-10-10)
  65. Re: ISSUE-55: Re-enable @profile in HTML5 (draft 1) (from julian.reschke@gmx.de on 2009-10-10)
  66. Re: ISSUE-55: Re-enable @profile in HTML5 (draft 1) (from mjs@apple.com on 2009-10-09)
  67. Re: {agenda} HTML WG telcon 2009-10-08: AIs, Task Forces, TPAC/ECMA, Decision Policy (from msporny@digitalbazaar.com on 2009-10-07)
  68. {agenda} HTML WG telcon 2009-10-08: AIs, Task Forces, TPAC/ECMA, Decision Policy (from rubys@intertwingly.net on 2009-10-07)
  69. Re: ISSUE-55: Re-enable @profile in HTML5 (draft 1) (from jonas@sicking.cc on 2009-09-30)
  70. Re: ISSUE-55: Re-enable @profile in HTML5 (draft 1) (from hsivonen@iki.fi on 2009-09-29)
  71. Re: ISSUE-55: Re-enable @profile in HTML5 (draft 1) (from tai@g5n.co.uk on 2009-09-29)
  72. Re: ISSUE-55: Re-enable @profile in HTML5 (draft 1) (from hsivonen@iki.fi on 2009-09-29)
  73. Re: ISSUE-55: Re-enable @profile in HTML5 (draft 1) (from tai@g5n.co.uk on 2009-09-29)
  74. Re: ISSUE-55: Re-enable @profile in HTML5 (draft 1) (from mark.birbeck@webbackplane.com on 2009-09-29)
  75. Re: ISSUE-55: Re-enable @profile in HTML5 (draft 1) (from jonas@sicking.cc on 2009-09-28)
  76. Re: ISSUE-55: Re-enable @profile in HTML5 (draft 1) (from tai@g5n.co.uk on 2009-09-28)
  77. Re: ISSUE-55: Re-enable @profile in HTML5 (draft 1) (from jackalmage@gmail.com on 2009-09-28)
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  79. Re: ISSUE-55: Re-enable @profile in HTML5 (draft 1) (from mjs@apple.com on 2009-09-28)
  80. Re: ISSUE-55: Re-enable @profile in HTML5 (draft 1) (from mjs@apple.com on 2009-09-28)
  81. Re: ISSUE-55: Re-enable @profile in HTML5 (draft 1) (from jonas@sicking.cc on 2009-09-28)
  82. Re: ISSUE-55: Re-enable @profile in HTML5 (draft 1) (from julian.reschke@gmx.de on 2009-09-28)
  83. Re: ISSUE-55: Re-enable @profile in HTML5 (draft 1) (from hsivonen@iki.fi on 2009-09-28)
  84. Re: ISSUE-55: Re-enable @profile in HTML5 (draft 1) (from tai@g5n.co.uk on 2009-09-28)
  85. Re: ISSUE-55: Re-enable @profile in HTML5 (draft 1) (from julian.reschke@gmx.de on 2009-09-28)
  86. Re: ISSUE-55: Re-enable @profile in HTML5 (draft 1) (from pjt47@cam.ac.uk on 2009-09-28)
  87. Re: ISSUE-55: Re-enable @profile in HTML5 (draft 1) (from hsivonen@iki.fi on 2009-09-28)
  88. Re: ISSUE-55: Re-enable @profile in HTML5 (draft 1) (from msporny@digitalbazaar.com on 2009-09-28)
  89. Re: ISSUE-55: Re-enable @profile in HTML5 (draft 1) (from msporny@digitalbazaar.com on 2009-09-28)
  90. Re: ISSUE-55: Re-enable @profile in HTML5 (draft 1) (from msporny@digitalbazaar.com on 2009-09-28)
  91. Re: ISSUE-55: Re-enable @profile in HTML5 (draft 1) (from annevk@opera.com on 2009-09-28)
  92. Re: ISSUE-55: Re-enable @profile in HTML5 (draft 1) (from msporny@digitalbazaar.com on 2009-09-28)
  93. Re: ISSUE-55: Re-enable @profile in HTML5 (draft 1) (from hsivonen@iki.fi on 2009-09-28)
  94. Re: ISSUE-55: Re-enable @profile in HTML5 (draft 1) (from mark.birbeck@webbackplane.com on 2009-09-28)
  95. Re: ISSUE-55: Re-enable @profile in HTML5 (draft 1) (from schepers@w3.org on 2009-09-28)
  96. ISSUE-55: Re-enable @profile in HTML5 (draft 1) (from msporny@digitalbazaar.com on 2009-09-27)
  97. minutes for 2009-09-17 telcon (from mike@w3.org on 2009-09-20)
  98. {agenda} HTML WG telcon 2009-09-17 (from rubys@intertwingly.net on 2009-09-16)
  99. Re: ISSUE-53: mediatypereg - suggest closing on 2009-09-03 (from rubys@intertwingly.net on 2009-08-24)
  100. Re: ISSUE-53: mediatypereg - suggest closing on 2009-09-03 (from julian.reschke@gmx.de on 2009-08-24)
  101. Re: Spec with issue markers [was: Re: HTML5-warnings - request to publish as next heartbeat WD] (from rubys@intertwingly.net on 2009-08-18)
  102. Re: Spec with issue markers [was: Re: HTML5-warnings - request to publish as next heartbeat WD] (from jgraham@opera.com on 2009-08-18)
  103. Re: {agenda} HTML WG telcon 2009-06-04 -- minutes enclosed (from singer@apple.com on 2009-06-04)
  104. Re: {agenda} HTML WG telcon 2009-06-04 -- minutes enclosed (from singer@apple.com on 2009-06-04)
  105. Input on the agenda (from ian@hixie.ch on 2009-06-01)
  106. Re: thoughts on @profile (ISSUE-55) (from julian.reschke@gmx.de on 2009-05-22)
  107. Re: thoughts on @profile (ISSUE-55) (from lhs@malform.no on 2009-05-22)
  108. Re: thoughts on @profile (ISSUE-55) (from lhs@malform.no on 2009-05-22)
  109. Re: thoughts on @profile (ISSUE-55) (from julian.reschke@gmx.de on 2009-05-22)
  110. Re: thoughts on @profile (ISSUE-55) (from hsivonen@iki.fi on 2009-05-22)
  111. Re: thoughts on @profile (ISSUE-55) (from julian.reschke@gmx.de on 2009-05-22)
  112. Re: thoughts on @profile (ISSUE-55) (from lhs@malform.no on 2009-05-22)
  113. Re: thoughts on @profile (ISSUE-55) (from julian.reschke@gmx.de on 2009-05-21)
  114. thoughts on @profile (ISSUE-55) (from julian.reschke@gmx.de on 2009-05-21)
  115. Input on the agenda (from ian@hixie.ch on 2009-05-11)
  116. minutes: HTML WG telecon 2009-05-07 [draft] (from julian.reschke@gmx.de on 2009-05-07)
  117. Input on the agenda (from ian@hixie.ch on 2009-04-27)
  118. Input on the agenda (from ian@hixie.ch on 2009-04-21)
  119. Input on the agenda (from ian@hixie.ch on 2009-04-15)
  120. Input on the agenda (from ian@hixie.ch on 2009-04-06)
  121. Re: Input on the agenda (from rubys@intertwingly.net on 2009-04-01)
  122. Input on the agenda (from ian@hixie.ch on 2009-03-31)
  123. Input on the agenda (from ian@hixie.ch on 2009-03-24)
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  125. Input on the agenda (from ian@hixie.ch on 2009-03-09)
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  127. minutes: HTML WG telecon 2009-02-10 [draft] (from oedipus@hicom.net on 2009-02-12)
  128. Re: head@profile: another dropped attribute (from connolly@w3.org on 2009-02-11)
  129. RE: Implementation of head@profile (from masinter@adobe.com on 2009-02-04)
  130. head@profile: another dropped attribute (from masinter@adobe.com on 2009-02-04)
  131. minutes: HTML WG weekly telcon 22 Jan 2009 (from connolly@w3.org on 2009-01-23)
  132. minutes: HTML Weekly Teleconference 08 Jan 2009 (from connolly@w3.org on 2009-01-16)
  133. {minutes} HTML WG telcon 2008-09-04 - html5&xslt, @profile, void elements (from mike@w3.org on 2008-09-05)
  134. HTML WG telcon 2008-09-04 - @headers, html5&xslt, @profile (from mike@w3.org on 2008-09-04)
  135. HTML WG telcon 2008-08-28 (from Chris.Wilson@microsoft.com on 2008-08-26)
  136. Re: toward a schedule of HTML WG issues (from connolly@w3.org on 2008-08-22)
  137. Re: toward a schedule of HTML WG issues (from julian.reschke@gmx.de on 2008-08-22)
  138. toward a schedule of HTML WG issues (from connolly@w3.org on 2008-08-21)
  139. Re: WHATWG IRC discussion about GRDDL and head/@profile (ISSUE-55) (from julian.reschke@gmx.de on 2008-08-01)
  140. Re: WHATWG IRC discussion about GRDDL and head/@profile (ISSUE-55) (from shawn@db79.com on 2008-07-28)
  141. WHATWG IRC discussion about GRDDL and head/@profile (ISSUE-55) (from julian.reschke@gmx.de on 2008-07-26)
  142. Re: ISSUE-55 (head-profile): head/@profile missing, but used in other specifications/formats (from connolly@w3.org on 2008-06-26)
  143. ISSUE-55 (head-profile): head/@profile missing, but used in other specifications/formats (from sysbot+tracker@w3.org on 2008-06-26)

Related notes:

2008-06-26 12:11:56: Mail to microformats-dev asking about absence of profile attributes in test cases: <http://microformats.org/discuss/mail/microformats-dev/2008-May/000509.html> [Julian Reschke]

2008-06-26 17:05:14: I'm not sure why this was pending review? [Chris Wilson]

2008-07-10 16:53:14: next step is probably to put this as a question to the group, get objections on record [Michael(tm) Smith]

2008-07-26 04:34:29: There was a lengthy discussion of @profile with respect to GRDDL in the #whatwg irc channel on 2008-07-25:

http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/whatwg/20080725 [Shawn Medero]

2008-09-04 16:05:51: The thread came to public-html...
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2008May/0103.html

but the meat of the rationale is...

HTML4's profile="" attribute's absence in HTML5
Ian Hickson ian at hixie.ch
Tue May 6 17:35:50 PDT 2008
http://lists.whatwg.org/pipermail/whatwg-whatwg.org/2008-May/014692.html
[Dan Connolly]

2008-09-17 13:52:42: argument for keeping it:

let's keep metadata profiles (head/@profile) in HTML for use in GRDDL etc.
09 Jul 2007
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2007Jul/0571.html
[Dan Connolly]

2008-10-08 18:07:07: Microformats community suggest using @rel with HTML 5:
http://microformats.org/wiki/profile-uris#.3Chead_profile.3E [Shawn Medero]

2009-01-03 12:49:51: eRDF (http://research.talis.com/2005/erdf/wiki/Main/RdfInHtml) uses @profile as well. [Julian Reschke]

2009-04-17 10:19:15: Related discussion regarding the actual syntax in HTML Tidy project: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1264455&group_id=27659&atid=390963 [Julian Reschke]

2009-05-07 16:14:31: [DanC]: note summary of micro-data http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2009Apr/0208.html

2009-09-18 00:34:31: [MikeSmith]: see http://dev.w3.org/html5/spec/obsolete.html#dom-head-profile and http://dev.w3.org/html5/spec/obsolete.html#attr-head-profile

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