ISSUE-107: Politics in fallback example for plugin usage

plugin-fallback-example

Politics in fallback example for plugin usage

State:
CLOSED
Product:
HTML 5 spec
Raised by:
Julian Reschke
Opened on:
2010-04-07
Description:
Escalated from bugzilla: <http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=8784>

The spec currently currently has the following example:

<!DOCTYPE HTML>
<html lang="en">
<head>
<title>O3D test page</title>
</head>
<body>
<p>
<object type="application/vnd.o3d.auto">
<param name="o3d_features" value="FloatingPointTextures">
This page requires the use of a proprietary technology. Since you
have not installed the software product required to view this
page, you should try visiting another site that instead uses open
vendor-neutral technologies.
</object>
<script src="o3dtest.js"></script>
</p>
</body>
</html>

(see <http://dev.w3.org/html5/spec/text-level-semantics.html#the-param-element>)

The problem with the fallback text is that it's not a good example at all; it just transports an anti-plugin point of view. Why would *anybody* *ever* put that text into a page?

A more realistic example would use fallback text with instructions about where to actually get the plugin.
Related Actions Items:
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Related emails:
  1. HTML-ISSUE-158 (object-content-model): TITLE: HTML4's content-model for <object> should continue [HTML 5 spec] (from sysbot+tracker@w3.org on 2011-01-22)
  2. Re: ISSUE-128 (figure-in-p): Chairs Solicit Proposals (from xn--mlform-iua@xn--mlform-iua.no on 2010-11-01)
  3. {minutes} } HTML WG telecon 2010-07-24: issues, surveys, decisions, publication status, TF reports (from Paul.Cotton@microsoft.com on 2010-06-25)
  4. Re: CfC: Adopt ISSUE-107 plugin-fallback-example Change Proposal to replace <object> fallback example (from julian.reschke@gmx.de on 2010-06-24)
  5. Re: CfC: Adopt ISSUE-107 plugin-fallback-example Change Proposal to replace <object> fallback example (from ian@hixie.ch on 2010-06-24)
  6. Fwd: {agenda} HTML WG telecon 2010-07-24: issues, surveys, decisions, publication status, TF reports (from rubys@intertwingly.net on 2010-06-23)
  7. Re: CfC: Adopt ISSUE-107 plugin-fallback-example Change Proposal to replace <object> fallback example (from rubys@intertwingly.net on 2010-06-23)
  8. {agenda} HTML WG telecon 2010-06-17: actions, issues, publication status (from mjs@apple.com on 2010-06-16)
  9. Re: Change Proposals, objections, and the Decision Policy (from faulkner.steve@gmail.com on 2010-06-16)
  10. Re: Change Proposals, objections, and the Decision Policy (from mjs@apple.com on 2010-06-16)
  11. Re: Change Proposals, objections, and the Decision Policy (from w3c@adambarth.com on 2010-06-16)
  12. Re: Change Proposals, objections, and the Decision Policy (from julian.reschke@gmx.de on 2010-06-16)
  13. Re: Change Proposals, objections, and the Decision Policy (from w3c@adambarth.com on 2010-06-15)
  14. CfC: Adopt ISSUE-107 plugin-fallback-example Change Proposal to replace <object> fallback example (from rubys@intertwingly.net on 2010-06-15)
  15. {minutes} HTML WG telecon 2010-06-10: action items, decision policy, task force reports, publication status (from adrianba@microsoft.com on 2010-06-10)
  16. Re: {agenda} HTML WG telecon 2010-06-10: action items, decision policy, task force reports, publication status (from laura.lee.carlson@gmail.com on 2010-06-10)
  17. FW: {agenda} HTML WG telecon 2010-06-10: action items, decision policy, task force reports, publication status (from Paul.Cotton@microsoft.com on 2010-06-10)
  18. {agenda} HTML WG telecon 2010-06-10: action items, decision policy, task force reports, publication status (from Paul.Cotton@microsoft.com on 2010-06-10)
  19. RE: {agenda} HTML WG telecon 2010-05-27 (from adrianba@microsoft.com on 2010-05-27)
  20. Re: {agenda} HTML WG telecon 2010-05-27 (from faulkner.steve@gmail.com on 2010-05-27)
  21. Re: {agenda} HTML WG telecon 2010-05-27 (from laura.lee.carlson@gmail.com on 2010-05-27)
  22. ISSUE-103, ISSUE-107, was: {agenda} HTML WG telecon 2010-05-27 (from julian.reschke@gmx.de on 2010-05-27)
  23. {agenda} HTML WG telecon 2010-05-27 (from rubys@intertwingly.net on 2010-05-26)
  24. {agenda} HTML WG telecon 2010-05-20: Surveys close, Publishing new Working Drafts (from mjs@apple.com on 2010-05-19)
  25. minutes, 2010-05-13 HTML WG telcon (from mike@w3.org on 2010-05-14)
  26. {agenda} HTML WG telecon 2010-05-13: Action items, surveys, Task Force reports (from mjs@apple.com on 2010-05-12)
  27. Re: //head/object (from xn--mlform-iua@xn--mlform-iua.no on 2010-05-05)
  28. Re: ISSUE-107 Change Proposal: Replace <object> fallback example (from xn--mlform-iua@xn--mlform-iua.no on 2010-05-05)
  29. Re: ISSUE-107 Change Proposal: Replace <object> fallback example (from mjs@apple.com on 2010-04-28)
  30. Re: ISSUE-107 Change Proposal: Replace <object> fallback example (from julian.reschke@gmx.de on 2010-04-23)
  31. RE: ISSUE-107 Change Proposal: Replace <object> fallback example (from lrosenth@adobe.com on 2010-04-23)
  32. Re: ISSUE-107 Change Proposal: Replace <object> fallback example (from julian.reschke@gmx.de on 2010-04-23)
  33. Re: ISSUE-107 Change Proposal: Replace <object> fallback example (from ian@hixie.ch on 2010-04-23)
  34. Re: ISSUE-107 Change Proposal: Replace <object> fallback example (from julian.reschke@gmx.de on 2010-04-23)
  35. Re: ISSUE-107 Change Proposal: Replace <object> fallback example (from joedwil@earthlink.net on 2010-04-22)
  36. Re: ISSUE-107 Change Proposal: Replace <object> fallback example (from mjs@apple.com on 2010-04-22)
  37. Re: ISSUE-107 Change Proposal: Replace <object> fallback example (from ian@hixie.ch on 2010-04-22)
  38. Re: ISSUE-107 Change Proposal: Replace <object> fallback example (from mjs@apple.com on 2010-04-22)
  39. Re: ISSUE-107 Change Proposal: Replace <object> fallback example (from julian.reschke@gmx.de on 2010-04-22)
  40. ISSUE-107 Change Proposal: Replace <object> fallback example (from lachlan.hunt@lachy.id.au on 2010-04-22)
  41. Re: ISSUE-107 Change Proposal (from mjs@apple.com on 2010-04-21)
  42. {agenda} HTML WG telcon 2010-04-22: Action items, issues, decision policy, A11Y recommendations, polyglot spec (from Paul.Cotton@microsoft.com on 2010-04-21)
  43. {agenda} HTML WG telcon 2010-04-22: Action items, issues, decision policy, A11Y recommendations, polyglot spec (from Paul.Cotton@microsoft.com on 2010-04-21)
  44. Re: ISSUE-107 Change Proposal (from lachlan.hunt@lachy.id.au on 2010-04-21)
  45. Re: ISSUE-107 plugin-fallback-example - Chairs Solicit Alternate Proposals or Counter-Proposals (from joedwil@earthlink.net on 2010-04-20)
  46. ISSUE-107 plugin-fallback-example - Chairs Solicit Alternate Proposals or Counter-Proposals (from mjs@apple.com on 2010-04-20)
  47. Re: ISSUE-107 Change Proposal (from mjs@apple.com on 2010-04-20)
  48. Minutes of HTML WG meeting, Apr 15 2010 (from Paul.Cotton@microsoft.com on 2010-04-19)
  49. Re: ISSUE-107 Change Proposal (from julian.reschke@gmx.de on 2010-04-15)
  50. Re: ISSUE-107 Change Proposal (from ian@hixie.ch on 2010-04-14)
  51. Re: ISSUE-107 Change Proposal (from joedwil@earthlink.net on 2010-04-14)
  52. Re: ISSUE-107 Change Proposal (from mjs@apple.com on 2010-04-14)
  53. RE: ISSUE-107 Change Proposal (from jfoliot@stanford.edu on 2010-04-14)
  54. Re: ISSUE-107 Change Proposal (from joedwil@earthlink.net on 2010-04-14)
  55. Re: ISSUE-107 Change Proposal (from julian.reschke@gmx.de on 2010-04-14)
  56. Re: ISSUE-107 Change Proposal (from lachlan.hunt@lachy.id.au on 2010-04-14)
  57. Re: ISSUE-107 Change Proposal (from jonas@sicking.cc on 2010-04-13)
  58. Re: ISSUE-107 Change Proposal (from shelley.just@gmail.com on 2010-04-13)
  59. ISSUE-107 Change Proposal (from julian.reschke@gmx.de on 2010-04-13)
  60. Minutes of HTML WG meeting, Apr 8 2010 (from Paul.Cotton@microsoft.com on 2010-04-08)
  61. Re: ISSUE-107 (plugin-fallback-example): Politics in fallback example for plugin usage [HTML 5 spec] (from shelley.just@gmail.com on 2010-04-07)
  62. ISSUE-107 (plugin-fallback-example): Politics in fallback example for plugin usage [HTML 5 spec] (from sysbot+tracker@w3.org on 2010-04-07)

Related notes:

Moving to OPEN since this has a Change Proposal.

Maciej Stachowiak, 20 Apr 2010, 11:01:21

http://lists.whatwg.org/pipermail/commit-watchers-whatwg.org/2010/004269.html
http://lists.whatwg.org/pipermail/commit-watchers-whatwg.org/2010/004270.html

Sam Ruby, 24 Jun 2010, 14:33:44

CLOSED by adopting a Change Proposal.

Maciej Stachowiak, 1 Jul 2010, 04:41:57

Changelog:

Created issue 'Politics in fallback example for plugin usage' nickname plugin-fallback-example owned by Julian Reschke on product HTML 5 spec, description 'Escalated from bugzilla: <http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=8784>

The spec currently currently has the following example:

<!DOCTYPE HTML>
<html lang="en">
<head>
<title>O3D test page</title>
</head>
<body>
<p>
<object type="application/vnd.o3d.auto">
<param name="o3d_features" value="FloatingPointTextures">
This page requires the use of a proprietary technology. Since you
have not installed the software product required to view this
page, you should try visiting another site that instead uses open
vendor-neutral technologies.
</object>
<script src="o3dtest.js"></script>
</p>
</body>
</html>

(see <http://dev.w3.org/html5/spec/text-level-semantics.html#the-param-element>)

The problem with the fallback text is that it's not a good example at all; it just transports an anti-plugin point of view. Why would *anybody* *ever* put that text into a page?

A more realistic example would use fallback text with instructions about where to actually get the plugin.
' non-public

Julian Reschke, 7 Apr 2010, 11:09:59

Status changed to 'open'

Maciej Stachowiak, 20 Apr 2010, 11:01:21

Status changed to 'closed'

Maciej Stachowiak, 1 Jul 2010, 04:41:57


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