This list of issues is largely obsolete in favor of tracker's agenda planning view plus the two alternating teleconference reservations:
The teleconference bridge contact info is:
The remaining items on this page should migrate to tracker in due course.
We owe a reply; the 1st WD of our spec will be an implicit reply; courtesy suggests an explicit reply as well.
We owe a reply to the 6 Jun message from the WAI PF WG. The 1st WD of our spec will be an implicit reply; courtesy suggests an explicit reply as well. Suggestions? IssueTableHeaders seems to be the relevant wiki topic.
Note Charter Proposal Anne van Kesteren (Tuesday, 2 October).
for reference: DBWG group for the task force
at one point the charter did say a total 10%, which was reviewed by the Webkit team, and everyone involved agreed was better. Ian Hickson 15 Mar 2007 14:27:30 +0000
See also webkit blog discussion. The text from that version of the charter is:
The HTML Working Group's work will be considered a success if there are multiple independent complete and interoperable implementations of its deliverable that are widely used (with a total market share, measured by at least two widely recognized reporting organizations, of 10% or more of the Web browser market).
Changing the charter at this point is expensive, but that requirement is perhaps worth adopting by WG decision.
See also examples/test in Dailey 20 MarHixie replies that "This is a known, long-standing bug in Opera." Where is it known? Is it acknowledged by Opera?
Today, <object> is probably the least interoperable element in HTML. Asbjørn Ulsberg 19 Mar 2007 22:04:32 +0100
Indeed, object was standardized prematurely (lesson learned from HTML 4 WG chairing, let's hope). Test cases and story telling (use cases)...
there should I think be a requirement in the specification that implementors provide a way to manually add and modify markup in the edited text, so that there is always the opportunity to add or modify information in a way that is not supported by the editor. Laurens Holst
Mon, 19 Mar 2007 06:45:50 +0900
These are claims about interoperability problems that I'd like to see explored in the form of test cases:
See van Kesteren 14 Mar for pointers to some more test materials; Graham replies with a pointer to some encoding tests.
Hunt 20 Mar 2007 takes issue with a number of XHTML 2 features; a reply from Holst makes a number of compatibility claims. It would be useful to see these subtantiated by test cases.
Chair solicits advice on these, but doesn't delegate them to WG decision.
A chair's job is to see that each persons time is well spent. Meeting time is very valuable; for example, with 12 people in a meeting, five minutes is one person-hour. Good records preserve the value of the time spent in meetings.
Meeting experts are unanimous on this point: even with the ubiquitous tools of organization and sharing ideas -- whiteboards, flip charts, Post-it notes -- the capacity for misunderstanding is unlimited. Which is another reason companies turn to computer technology. The best way to avoid that misunderstanding is to convert from "meeting" to "doing" -- where the "doing" focuses on the creation of shared documents that lead to action.The Seven Sins of Deadly Meetings, By: Eric Matson, Fast Company April/May 1996, Page 122
Ian Hickson's message of 27 March requests the following information:
- What problem the meeting is supposed to be fixing
- Why e-mail has failed to solve the issue, why a meeting is expected to solve the problem better
- Who should call in
- What people should read as briefing material before the call
- What results from the meeting would result in the meeting being considered a success
An 18 April message clarifies that this request regards each agendum.
Meanwhile, of course, the teleconference medium is tangibly different from email in a number of ways. For example, in the teleconference survey, we find comments such as:
The current tidal wave of comments backwards and forwards appear to make little progress, is unfocused, and contains many comments that are treated as correct just because nobody bothers to refute them.Bob Hopgood
A teleconference allows for straw polls and such to be taken in seconds, where they take days or weeks by email.
See also dependencies and liaisons in the charter.
People often author content which is inserted into a larger context. Blogs, wikis, comments, are but a few examples. Requiring the entire page to be xml well formed, and requiring that none of the page be displayed if there is any well formedness errors, is a non-starter for most sites. I'd love to see the day when svg could be copy/pasted into MySpace and MathML copy/pasted into Facebook, and have it "just work".Sam Ruby (Sunday, 14 October)
Your argument makes a good case for a standardization effort. If there are two other member organizations that support it, that's sufficient to start an incubator group.
By making your argument here, you're asking me chair a discussion of which video codec is right for the web. I'm nearly overwhelmed by the breadth of the discussion topics already in our scope without adding this one.
If there were consensus to add this to our charter, I would consider putting together a proposal to the W3C membership to do so. But opinions are clearly divided, so I suggest we leave it out of scope for this Working Group.Connolly 6 Apr
At this point, > WHATWG folks want Theora. Yes, it's a likable format.Lie 19 Mar 2007 19:53:18 +0100
Also: HTML 5 spec draft includes a central registry of link relationships in section 22.214.171.124. Other link types. since svn.348 Nov 22 2006
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