eGovernment Interest Group Teleconference

Minutes of 09 July 2012

Agenda
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-egov-ig/2012Jul/0008.html
Seen
Deirdre Lee, Elsa UNU, Laurence Miller, Phil Archer, Tomasz Janowski
Guests
Laurence Miller, Elsa UNU
Chair
Tomasz Janowski
Scribe
Deirdre Lee
IRC Log
Original and Editable Wiki Version
Resolutions

None.

Topics
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08:00:46 <trackbot> Meeting: eGovernment Interest Group Teleconference
08:00:46 <trackbot> Date: 09 July 2012
08:00:55 <Deirdre Lee> scribe: Deirdre Lee

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08:02:10 <PhilA> zakim, who is here?

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08:02:10 <Zakim> On the phone I see +8532871aaaa, PhilA, Deirdre Lee

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08:02:11 <Zakim> On IRC I see Laurence Miller, Deirdre Lee, Zakim, RRSAgent, elsa, PhilA, agipap, tomasz, ed_, CaptSolo, sandro, trackbot

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08:02:23 <Deirdre Lee> chair: tomasz
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08:02:53 <Deirdre Lee> agenda: http://www.w3.org/egov/wiki/images/6/6d/Roadmap_slides_4.pdf
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08:03:35 <PhilA> zakim, who is here?

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08:03:35 <Zakim> On the phone I see tomasz, PhilA, Deirdre Lee

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08:03:36 <Zakim> tomasz has elsa

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08:03:36 <Zakim> On IRC I see Laurence Miller, Deirdre Lee, Zakim, RRSAgent, elsa, PhilA, agipap, tomasz, ed_, CaptSolo, sandro, trackbot

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08:05:45 <Deirdre Lee> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-egov-ig/2012Jul/0008.html
08:06:56 <PhilA> Laurence Miller: will you be dialling in?

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08:07:53 <Laurence Miller> 3468 does not seem to get me in

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08:08:33 <PhilA> zakim, ??P12 is Laurence Miller

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08:09:09 <PhilA> zakim, who is here?

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08:09:09 <Zakim> On the phone I see tomasz, PhilA, Deirdre Lee, Laurence Miller

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08:09:10 <Zakim> tomasz has elsa

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08:10:13 <PhilA> presentation is at http://www.w3.org/egov/wiki/images/6/6d/Roadmap_slides_4.pdf

Phil Archer: presentation is at http://www.w3.org/egov/wiki/images/6/6d/Roadmap_slides_4.pdf

08:11:10 <Deirdre Lee> tomasz: aim of telco is to discuss #egov roadmap

Tomasz Janowski: aim of telco is to discuss #egov roadmap

08:11:48 <Deirdre Lee> PhilA: it would be good to introduce ourselves at some stage, to get to know each other

Phil Archer: it would be good to introduce ourselves at some stage, to get to know each other

08:12:27 <Deirdre Lee> tomasz: introducing himself, works in Macau

Tomasz Janowski: introducing himself, works in Macau

08:12:35 <Deirdre Lee> ... with tomasz is Elsa

... with tomasz is Elsa

08:13:06 <Deirdre Lee> Laurence Miller: in Wellington, working in eGov 2004-2009, now an advisor in eGovernment

Laurence Miller: in Wellington, working in eGov 2004-2009, now an advisor in eGovernment

08:13:55 <Deirdre Lee> ... has been following eGov group for long time, but time of telcos were barrier to participate, delighted about new structure

... has been following eGov group for long time, but time of telcos were barrier to participate, delighted about new structure

08:14:12 <Deirdre Lee> PhilA: would be great to get more participants from Eurasian area

Phil Archer: would be great to get more participants from Eurasian area

08:14:29 <Deirdre Lee> ... works in W3C and on European Commission projects

... works in W3C and on European Commission projects

08:14:48 <Deirdre Lee> ... role to facilitate eGov group and support Jeanne and Tomasz

... role to facilitate eGov group and support Jeanne and Tomasz

08:15:12 <PhilA> Deirdre Lee: I'm at DERI, Galway

Phil Archer: Deirdre Lee: I'm at DERI, Galway

08:15:22 <PhilA> ... focused on sem web, linked data etc.

Phil Archer: ... focused on sem web, linked data etc.

08:15:37 <PhilA> ... in eGov we want to apply those techs to public data

Phil Archer: ... in eGov we want to apply those techs to public data

08:15:44 <PhilA> ... eParticipation etc.

Phil Archer: ... eParticipation etc.

08:15:53 <PhilA> ... lots of European projects and national level

Phil Archer: ... lots of European projects and national level

08:16:32 <Deirdre Lee> topic: draft #egov roadmap

1. draft #egov roadmap

08:17:15 <Deirdre Lee> tomasz: need to organise discussions, roadmap can help

Tomasz Janowski: need to organise discussions, roadmap can help

08:17:45 <Deirdre Lee> ... present context of domain in general and this group

... present context of domain in general and this group

08:18:14 <Deirdre Lee> ... Public Sector ICT is a well established area

... Public Sector ICT is a well established area

08:18:47 <Deirdre Lee> ... describes evolving goals

... describes evolving goals

08:19:23 <Deirdre Lee> Laurence Miller: elaborate on policy and development goals

Laurence Miller: elaborate on policy and development goals

08:19:33 <Deirdre Lee> tomasz: will further on in presentation

Tomasz Janowski: will further on in presentation

08:20:05 <Deirdre Lee> ... question mark over where this area will go next

... question mark over where this area will go next

08:20:59 <Deirdre Lee> ... there are corresponding goals, challenges and limitations to technology in governmnet

... there are corresponding goals, challenges and limitations to technology in government

08:21:17 <Deirdre Lee> s/governmnet/government
08:22:13 <Deirdre Lee> ... stage 1 of Public Sector ICT is technology in government

... stage 1 of Public Sector ICT is technology in government

08:22:16 <Deirdre Lee> ... stage 2 of Public Sector ICT is electronic government

... stage 2 of Public Sector ICT is electronic government

08:22:35 <Deirdre Lee> ... stage 2 of Public Sector ICT is electronic governance

... stage3 of Public Sector ICT is electronic governance

08:22:52 <Deirdre Lee> s/stage 2/stage3
08:25:39 <Deirdre Lee> ... policy-driven electronic governance

... policy-driven electronic governance

08:26:22 <Deirdre Lee> ... why and how will be guided by the policy framework

... why and how will be guided by the policy framework

08:27:43 <Deirdre Lee> Laurence Miller; not sure if policy-cycle is only available in stage 4

Laurence Miller; not sure if policy-cycle is only available in stage 4

08:28:00 <Deirdre Lee> ... in many countries it is available in earlier stages as well

... in many countries it is available in earlier stages as well

08:28:41 <Deirdre Lee> tomasz: agrees with comment, but particularly at the local-level we have to look at specific policy objectives

Tomasz Janowski: agrees with comment, but particularly at the local-level we have to look at specific policy objectives

08:30:37 <Deirdre Lee> ... describes related W3C standards an themes around eGov

... describes related W3C standards an themes around eGov

08:31:17 <Deirdre Lee> ... poses question, how to organise existing themes, discussions and outcomes of the W3C EGOV IG with respect to each other and with respect to the larger thematic context?

... poses question, how to organise existing themes, discussions and outcomes of the W3C EGOV IG with respect to each other and with respect to the larger thematic context?

08:31:40 <Deirdre Lee> ... roadmap addresses this question

... roadmap addresses this question

08:32:38 <Deirdre Lee> ... defines localisation of framework

... defines localisation of framework

08:33:16 <Deirdre Lee> ... concrete example of policy goal is sustainable development

... concrete example of policy goal is sustainable development

08:34:46 <Deirdre Lee> ... discusses questions related to how eGov can be achieved

... discusses questions related to how eGov can be achieved

08:35:07 <Deirdre Lee> ... discusses questions related to why eGov is important, i.e. what is the value proposition

... discusses questions related to why eGov is important, i.e. what is the value proposition

08:35:24 <Deirdre Lee> ... hope group members can help add some questions to those already defined

... hope group members can help add some questions to those already defined

08:35:45 <Deirdre Lee> ... discusses questions related to the localisation of eGov

... discusses questions related to the localisation of eGov

08:36:31 <Deirdre Lee> ... describes an example of UNU of transfer of knowledge to other countries

... describes an example of UNU of transfer of knowledge to other countries

08:37:04 <Deirdre Lee> .... discuses questions related to the foundations of eGov

.... discuses questions related to the foundations of eGov

08:37:41 <Deirdre Lee> ... there has been discussion on the mailing list if we should pursue the definition of eGov at a conceptual level

... there has been discussion on the mailing list if we should pursue the definition of eGov at a conceptual level

08:37:46 <Deirdre Lee> ... with mixed responses

... with mixed responses

08:38:20 <Deirdre Lee> ... looks at social media as an example of an eGov theme

... looks at social media as an example of an eGov theme

08:38:39 <Deirdre Lee> ... and how it relates to policy framework

... and how it relates to policy framework

08:39:55 <Deirdre Lee> ... presents matrix of eGov dimensions and themes

... presents matrix of eGov dimensions and themes

08:40:34 <Deirdre Lee> ... describes how members can contribute to the implementation of this roadmap

... describes how members can contribute to the implementation of this roadmap

08:40:54 <Deirdre Lee> ... through creating new questions, addressing existing questions, etc.

... through creating new questions, addressing existing questions, etc.

08:41:35 <Deirdre Lee> ... members can also contribute through the bimonthly conference calls

... members can also contribute through the bimonthly conference calls

08:42:24 <Deirdre Lee> ... hopes to create technical notes based on group discussions

... hopes to create technical notes based on group discussions

08:42:48 <Deirdre Lee> ... any questions/input?

... any questions/input?

08:43:19 <Deirdre Lee> PhilA: role is to support work in group

Phil Archer: role is to support work in group

08:43:33 <Deirdre Lee> ... picking up on some outcomes of recent events

... picking up on some outcomes of recent events

08:43:44 <Deirdre Lee> ... should there be a greater emphasis on digital divide?

... should there be a greater emphasis on digital divide?

08:44:20 <Deirdre Lee> ... how much effort for public administrations to make services available to those not online?

... how much effort for public administrations to make services available to those not online?

08:44:39 <Deirdre Lee> ... how could group help with this question?

... how could group help with this question?

08:45:14 <Deirdre Lee> Tomasz: matching supply and demand of services, not  much use providing services if they are not used

Tomasz Janowski: matching supply and demand of services, not much use providing services if they are not used

08:45:36 <Deirdre Lee> ... gives example of ?? where training was provided to support online services

... gives example of Estonia where training was provided to support online services

08:45:47 <PhilA> s/??/Estonia/
08:45:53 <Laurence Miller> it was estonia

Laurence Miller: it was estonia

08:46:15 <Deirdre Lee> ... integration of online and offline services, as well as services that are provided across different channels

... integration of online and offline services, as well as services that are provided across different channels

08:46:32 <Deirdre Lee> Elsa: also provision of services across multiple digital channels

Elsa UNU: also provision of services across multiple digital channels

08:46:43 <Deirdre Lee> ... this could be added as a theme of discussion

... this could be added as a theme of discussion

08:47:20 <Deirdre Lee> PhilA: does not agree that the Web is not distinct from mobile and TV, as the Web is a multi-channel platform,

Phil Archer: does not agree that the Web is not distinct from mobile and TV, as the Web is a multi-channel platform,

08:47:59 <Deirdre Lee> ... if the service is made available in adaptable format, then Web can be seen as multi-channel

... if the service is made available in adaptable format, then Web can be seen as multi-channel

08:48:26 <Deirdre Lee> Tomasz: this is not just a technical challenge, but also an organisational challenge

Tomasz Janowski: this is not just a technical challenge, but also an organisational challenge

08:48:55 <Deirdre Lee> Laurence Miller: delivery to mobile devices is fragmented, compared to Web delivery,

Laurence Miller: delivery to mobile devices is fragmented, compared to Web delivery,

08:49:14 <Deirdre Lee> ... suggests this is due to widespread Web standards

... suggests this is due to widespread Web standards

08:49:16 <PhilA> A big +1 to Laurence Miller

Phil Archer: A big +1 to Laurence Miller

08:50:02 <Deirdre Lee> ... disagrees with Tomasz that providing on a mobile device will require change to back-office, as this will be handled by middleware

... disagrees with Tomasz that providing on a mobile device will require change to back-office, as this will be handled by middleware

08:50:52 <Deirdre Lee> ... regarding digital divide, when you reach a critical mass, you can turn off other channels

... regarding digital divide, when you reach a critical mass, you can turn off other channels

08:51:12 <PhilA> q+

Phil Archer: q+

08:51:16 <Deirdre Lee> ... gives example of letting and company registration

... gives example of letting and company registration

08:52:00 <Deirdre Lee> ... at a certain point, public services can be offered online only, there are ways of handling this

... at a certain point, public services can be offered online only, there are ways of handling this

08:52:36 <Deirdre Lee> ... for example in Denmark, citizens can go through an agent or Internet cafe, where the online service is utilised

... for example in Denmark, citizens can go through an agent or Internet cafe, where the online service is utilised

08:53:17 <Deirdre Lee> Tomasz: to clarify on back-office, he meant more general, not just different electronic channels

Tomasz Janowski: to clarify on back-office, he meant more general, not just different electronic channels

08:53:43 <Deirdre Lee> ... the nature of digital divide is changing over time.

... the nature of digital divide is changing over time.

08:54:14 <Deirdre Lee> ... it was originally about access to Internet, but now is more about education about Internet usage

... it was originally about access to Internet, but now is more about education about Internet usage

08:54:57 <PhilA> q?

Phil Archer: q?

08:55:08 <Laurence Miller> q+

Laurence Miller: q+

08:55:16 <PhilA> ack Laurence Miller

Phil Archer: ack Laurence Miller

08:55:30 <PhilA> ack me

Phil Archer: ack me

08:56:00 <tomasz> q?

Tomasz Janowski: q?

08:56:29 <Deirdre Lee> PhilA: interested in Laurence Miller's comment on public services completely online

Phil Archer: interested in Laurence Miller's comment on public services completely online

08:56:37 <Deirdre Lee> ... examples given are B2B,

... examples given are B2B,

08:56:57 <Deirdre Lee> ... how does services for individuals fit in?

... how does services for individuals fit in?

08:57:26 <Deirdre Lee> Laurence Miller: similar, census is coming up next here and they are hoping to get ??% online

Laurence Miller: similar, census is coming up next here and they are hoping to get ??% online

08:57:59 <Deirdre Lee> ... same principle for indivuals' services, you provide incentives

... same principle for indivuals' services, you provide incentives

08:58:23 <Deirdre Lee> ... gradual introduction

... gradual introduction

08:59:08 <elsa> q+

Elsa UNU: q+

08:59:30 <Deirdre Lee> PhilA: Neelie Kroes commented that 1/3 of European households do not have internet connection at home and 1/2 of European adults have not been online

Phil Archer: Neelie Kroes commented that 1/3 of European households do not have internet connection at home and 1/2 of European adults have not been online

08:59:50 <Deirdre Lee> ... shocking when Denmark claims it has no digital divide

... shocking when Denmark claims it has no digital divide

09:00:03 <tomasz> ack me

Tomasz Janowski: ack me

09:00:04 <Deirdre Lee> Tomasz: they have mobiles

Tomasz Janowski: they have mobiles

09:00:57 <Deirdre Lee> Elsa: topic to discuss is the take-up of public services

Elsa UNU: topic to discuss is the take-up of public services

09:01:28 <Deirdre Lee> Tomasz: any comments concerning the roadmap itself?

Tomasz Janowski: any comments concerning the roadmap itself?

09:01:44 <Deirdre Lee> q+

q+

09:01:59 <tomasz> ack ?

Tomasz Janowski: ack ?

09:02:00 <Deirdre Lee> ... any suggestions on how to improve the roadmap?

... any suggestions on how to improve the roadmap?

09:02:13 <PhilA> q- elsa

Phil Archer: q- elsa

09:02:34 <Deirdre Lee> Laurence Miller: in relation to value proposition, it is not clear what is meant by sustainable development

Laurence Miller: in relation to value proposition, it is not clear what is meant by sustainable development

09:02:55 <Deirdre Lee> Tomasz: SD is an example of a policy objective

Tomasz Janowski: SD is an example of a policy objective

09:04:38 <Deirdre Lee> Laurence Miller: doesn't see how framework/matrix can help for all policy objectives

Laurence Miller: doesn't see how framework/matrix can help for all policy objectives

09:04:54 <Deirdre Lee> ... policy objectives should be rows on matrix

... policy objectives should be rows on matrix

09:05:01 <Deirdre Lee> tomasz: agrees

Tomasz Janowski: agrees

09:06:22 <PhilA> Deirdre Lee: In relation to the outcomes. The roadmap covers the different topic areas, but with regards to outcomes, it seems a little vague still

Phil Archer: Deirdre Lee: In relation to the outcomes. The roadmap covers the different topic areas, but with regards to outcomes, it seems a little vague still

09:06:43 <PhilA> ... what kind of recommendations do we want to make?

Phil Archer: ... what kind of recommendations do we want to make?

09:07:05 <PhilA> tomasz: So you're making a distinction between the topics and the outcomes?

Tomasz Janowski: So you're making a distinction between the topics and the outcomes? [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ]

09:07:27 <PhilA> Deirdre Lee: Yes. The danger is that we have endless interesting discussions that don't achieve anything

Phil Archer: Deirdre Lee: Yes. The danger is that we have endless interesting discussions that don't achieve anything

09:07:34 <PhilA> tomasz: I agree

Tomasz Janowski: I agree [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ]

09:07:54 <PhilA> ack Deirdre Lee

Phil Archer: ack Deirdre Lee

09:08:10 <PhilA> tomasz: We need to think about how the roadmap can lead to specific outputs

Tomasz Janowski: We need to think about how the roadmap can lead to specific outputs [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ]

09:08:26 <PhilA> elsa: One possibility would be to apply the roadmap to specific themes of interest

Elsa UNU: One possibility would be to apply the roadmap to specific themes of interest [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ]

09:09:14 <Deirdre Lee> PhilA: was in the room when roadmap was being discussed

Phil Archer: was in the room when roadmap was being discussed

09:09:24 <Deirdre Lee> ... theme of social media comes up a lot

... theme of social media comes up a lot

09:09:42 <Deirdre Lee> ... many governments have published guidelines on how to use social media

... many governments have published guidelines on how to use social media

09:10:22 <Deirdre Lee> ... look at how social media is used by citizens to feed back into governments

... look at how social media is used by citizens to feed back into governments

09:10:44 <Deirdre Lee> ... so to focus on a theme, such as social media, could be useful to focus group

... so to focus on a theme, such as social media, could be useful to focus group

09:10:53 <Deirdre Lee> ... to apply roadmap

... to apply roadmap

09:11:14 <Deirdre Lee> Elsa: start thinking about questions related to social media

Elsa UNU: start thinking about questions related to social media

09:11:46 <Deirdre Lee> tomasz: the social media theme was given as an example on slide 23 of presentation

Tomasz Janowski: the social media theme was given as an example on slide 23 of presentation

09:11:56 <Deirdre Lee> ... with questions associated with it

... with questions associated with it

09:12:39 <Deirdre Lee> Laurence Miller: agrees to roadtest roadmap with a theme like social media and ??

Laurence Miller: agrees to roadtest roadmap with a theme like social media and ??

09:13:15 <Deirdre Lee> ... struggling to understand what is meant by 'localisation' in the roadmap

... struggling to understand what is meant by 'localisation' in the roadmap

09:13:56 <Deirdre Lee> ... surprised that localisation refers to a particular country

... surprised that localisation refers to a particular country

09:14:22 <Deirdre Lee> ... as most eGov refers to a particular country anyway

... as most eGov refers to a particular country anyway

09:14:42 <Deirdre Lee> ... apart from some global organisations, like OECD

... apart from some global organisations, like OECD

09:14:57 <Deirdre Lee> ... we need to think of a better word than localisation

... we need to think of a better word than localisation

09:15:21 <Deirdre Lee> ... transnational is not as relevant as sub-national and regional transfer of eGov practices

... transnational is not as relevant as sub-national and regional transfer of eGov practices

09:15:55 <Deirdre Lee> Tomasz: agrees

Tomasz Janowski: agrees

09:16:46 <Deirdre Lee> ... there are many standards/models/etc. from international organisations that don't take into account the localisation of eGov practices

... there are many standards/models/etc. from international organisations that don't take into account the localisation of eGov practices

09:16:56 <Deirdre Lee> ... at a national level

... at a national level

09:17:39 <PhilA> q+

Phil Archer: q+

09:17:54 <Deirdre Lee> ... there is a need for eGov to go sectoral

... there is a need for eGov to go sectoral

09:18:01 <tomasz> ack me

Tomasz Janowski: ack me

09:18:08 <Deirdre Lee> ... not just horizontal

... not just horizontal

09:18:23 <PhilA> ack PhilA

Phil Archer: ack PhilA

09:18:51 <Deirdre Lee> PhilA: thinks in terms of standards

Phil Archer: thinks in terms of standards

09:19:25 <Deirdre Lee> ... if ewhen writing a standard is applicable to NZ system, but not Danish, it is not published, and they go back to something that is applicable to all

... if ewhen writing a standard is applicable to NZ system, but not Danish, it is not published, and they go back to something that is applicable to all

09:19:38 <Deirdre Lee> ... otherwise it is application-specific

... otherwise it is application-specific

09:20:12 <Deirdre Lee> ... any implmentation will be in a specific context, but a guideline should be applicable in any context, otherwise guideline is wrong

... any implmentation will be in a specific context, but a guideline should be applicable in any context, otherwise guideline is wrong

09:21:49 <Deirdre Lee> Laurence Miller: understands context is important, but, to go back at stages outlined in roadmap, eGov practices depends on the stage the particular country is at

Laurence Miller: understands context is important, but, to go back at stages outlined in roadmap, eGov practices depends on the stage the particular country is at

09:22:37 <Deirdre Lee> tomasz: agrees that localisation dimension requires more work

Tomasz Janowski: agrees that localisation dimension requires more work

09:23:15 <Deirdre Lee> Elsa: is there a common repository where we can share resources?

Elsa UNU: is there a common repository where we can share resources?

09:23:22 <PhilA> There is a wiki http://www.w3.org/egov/wiki/Main_Page

Phil Archer: There is a wiki http://www.w3.org/egov/wiki/Main_Page

09:23:52 <Deirdre Lee> PhilA: members of the group will have login to be able to edit wiki

Phil Archer: members of the group will have login to be able to edit wiki

09:24:28 <Deirdre Lee> tomasz: to summarise, we covered multi-channel delivery of services

Tomasz Janowski: to summarise, we covered multi-channel delivery of services

09:24:49 <Deirdre Lee> ... some governments decision to provide services only online

... some governments decision to provide services only online

09:25:08 <Deirdre Lee> ... to test roadmap with example of a topic, e.g. social media

... to test roadmap with example of a topic, e.g. social media

09:25:30 <Deirdre Lee> ... the roadmap will be revised and a new version created

... the roadmap will be revised and a new version created

09:25:39 <Deirdre Lee> .... will discuss suggestions with Jeanne

.... will discuss suggestions with Jeanne

09:26:23 <Deirdre Lee> Laurence Miller: how to use SIP with skype?

Laurence Miller: how to use SIP with skype?

09:26:46 <Deirdre Lee> PhilA: SIP is different protocol than Skype

Phil Archer: SIP is different protocol than Skype

09:26:57 <PhilA> rrsagent, draft minutes

Phil Archer: rrsagent, draft minutes

09:26:57 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/07/09-egov-minutes.html PhilA

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/07/09-egov-minutes.html PhilA

09:27:17 <Zakim> -Deirdre Lee

Zakim IRC Bot: -Deirdre Lee

09:27:19 <Zakim> -PhilA

Zakim IRC Bot: -PhilA

09:27:28 <Zakim> -tomasz

Zakim IRC Bot: -tomasz

09:27:35 <PhilA> zakim, bye

Phil Archer: zakim, bye

09:27:35 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees were +8532871aaaa, PhilA, Deirdre Lee, elsa, Laurence Miller

Zakim IRC Bot: leaving. As of this point the attendees were +8532871aaaa, PhilA, Deirdre Lee, elsa, Laurence Miller



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