W3C

WCAG Team C

2 Jan 2007

See also: IRC log

Attendees

Present
Becky_Gibson, David_MacDonald, Michael_Cooper, Sofia_Celic, Andi_Snow-Weaver
Regrets
Christophe_Strobbe, Cynthia_Shelly
Chair
Michael_Cooper
Scribe
Michael_Cooper

Contents


<scribe> scribe: Michael_Cooper

<scribe> scribeNick: MichaelC

Proposal to combine 1.3.1 and 1.3.4

http://trace.wisc.edu/wcag_wiki/index.php?title=In_progress_update_of_HTM_1.3.1#Situation_B:_The_technology_in_use_does_NOT_provide_the_semantic_structure_to_make_the_information_and_relationships_conveyed_through_presentation_programmatically_determinable

<becka11y> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wcag-teamc/2006Dec/0009.html

<becka11y> Info & Relationships: Information and relationships conveyed through

<becka11y> presentation <ins>are available in plain text or </ins>can be

<becka11y> programmatically determined and notification of changes to these is

<becka11y> available to user agents, including assistive technologies.

<becka11y> http://trace.wisc.edu/wcag_wiki/index.php?title=In_progress_update_of_HTM_1.3.1#Intent_of_this_success_criterion

discussion of text and programatically determined

RESOLUTION: wording of SC 1.3.1 "Information and relationships conveyed through presentation are programatically determined or are available in text and notification of changes to these is available to user agents, including assistive technologies."

concern about interpretation of situations (people may apply them to page rather than the specific technology used on part of the page) than but no proposal on offer right now

<scribe> ACTION: Michael to put David's concern as note in HtM 1.3.1 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/2007/01/02-wcag-teamc-minutes.html#action01]

RESOLUTION: Take HtM 1.3.1 to survey (add note about <1.3.4 ins> tags)

Note: if proposal for changes to 1.3.1 accepted, we will go through and prepare the folloiwng issues to close based on that: 558 583 636 715 863 964 1284

Failure of 1.3.1 due to using images of text to convey information without using the appropriate markup

http://trace.wisc.edu/wcag_wiki/index.php?title=Failure_of_1.3.1_due_to_using_images_of_text_to_convey_information_without_using_the_appropriate_markup

completes Becky's action from 21 Dec 06

Sofia suggested edits at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wcag-teamc/2007Jan/0001.html

<becka11y> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wcag-teamc/2007Jan/0001.html

RESOLUTION: Accept with Sofia's changes, and Becky's addition to that
... Take to survey
... add a note to example with styled div that swapping div for p isn't good enough, needs to be a hx tag.

Proposed SC Information and Cues are provided when content requires user input

http://trace.wisc.edu/wcag_wiki/index.php?title=Information_and_Cues_are_provided_when_content_requires_user_input

executes direction of group from 21 Dec 2006 to create SC based on our straw poll results

RESOLUTION: Take to survey

1450

http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/WCAG20/issue-tracking/viewdata_individual.php?id=1450

<becka11y> here is the updated failure discussed earlier: http://trace.wisc.edu/wcag_wiki/index.php?title=Failure_of_1.3.1_due_to_using_changes_in_text_presentation_to_convey_information_without_using_the_appropriate_markup#Examples

RESOLUTION: Take to survey

1080

http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/WCAG20/issue-tracking/viewdata_individual.php?id=1080

Cynthia and David have open action; David sent email

<scribe> ACTION: Cynthia and David to develop proposal [recorded in http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/2007/01/02-wcag-teamc-minutes.html#action02]

959

http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/WCAG20/issue-tracking/viewdata_individual.php?id=959

borrow piece of the proposal from 958

leave alone for now, no quick solution

979

http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/WCAG20/issue-tracking/viewdata_individual.php?id=979

Summary of Action Items

[NEW] ACTION: Cynthia and David to develop proposal [recorded in http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/2007/01/02-wcag-teamc-minutes.html#action02]
[NEW] ACTION: Michael to put David's concern as note in HtM 1.3.1 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/2007/01/02-wcag-teamc-minutes.html#action01]
 
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