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21:08:51 <MichaelC> meeting: WCAG Team C
21:08:59 <MichaelC> scribe: Michael_Cooper
21:09:02 <MichaelC> scribeNick: MichaelC
21:09:12 <MichaelC> chair: Michael_Cooper
21:09:48 <MichaelC> regrets: Christophe_Strobbe
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22:01:18 <MichaelC> regrets+ Cynthia_Shelly
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22:01:50 <MichaelC> present: Becky_Gibson, David_MacDonald, Michael_Cooper
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22:03:37 <MichaelC> present+ Sofia_Celic, Andi_Snow-Weaver
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22:05:13 <MichaelC> topic: Proposal to combine 1.3.1 and 1.3.4
22:05:15 <MichaelC> http://trace.wisc.edu/wcag_wiki/index.php?title=In_progress_update_of_HTM_1.3.1#Situation_B:_The_technology_in_use_does_NOT_provide_the_semantic_structure_to_make_the_information_and_relationships_conveyed_through_presentation_programmatically_determinable
22:08:53 <becka11y> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wcag-teamc/2006Dec/0009.html
22:09:50 <becka11y> Info & Relationships: Information and relationships conveyed through 
22:09:50 <becka11y> presentation <ins>are available in plain text or </ins>can be 
22:09:50 <becka11y> programmatically determined  and notification of changes to these is 
22:09:50 <becka11y> available to user agents, including assistive technologies. 
22:11:34 <becka11y> http://trace.wisc.edu/wcag_wiki/index.php?title=In_progress_update_of_HTM_1.3.1#Intent_of_this_success_criterion
22:13:19 <MichaelC> discussion of text and programatically determined
22:18:47 <MichaelC> RESOLUTION: wording of WC 1.3.1 "Information and relationships conveyed through presentation are programatically determined or are available in text nd notification of changes to these is available to user agents, including assistive technologies."
22:18:54 <MichaelC> s/WC/SC
22:19:02 <MichaelC> s/nd/and
22:21:01 <MichaelC> concern about interpretation of situations (people may apply them to page rather than the specific technology used on part of the page) than but no proposal on offer right now
22:22:19 <MichaelC> ACTION: Michael to put David's concern as note in HtM 1.3.1
22:24:09 <MichaelC> RESOLUTION: Take HtM 1.3.1 to survey (add note about <1.3.4 ins> tags)
22:26:50 <MichaelC> Note: if proposal for changes to 1.3.1 accepted, we will go through and prepare the folloiwng issues to close based on that: 558 583 636 715 863 964 1284
22:27:41 <MichaelC> topic: Failure of 1.3.1 due to using images of text to convey information without using the appropriate markup
22:27:51 <MichaelC> http://trace.wisc.edu/wcag_wiki/index.php?title=Failure_of_1.3.1_due_to_using_images_of_text_to_convey_information_without_using_the_appropriate_markup
22:28:25 <MichaelC> completes Becky's action from 21 Dec 06
22:29:40 <MichaelC> Sofia suggested edits at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wcag-teamc/2007Jan/0001.html
22:30:08 <becka11y> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wcag-teamc/2007Jan/0001.html
22:32:58 <MichaelC> RESOLUTION: Accept with Sofia's changes, and Becky's addition to that
22:33:37 <MichaelC> RESOLUTION: Take to survey
22:36:23 <MichaelC> RESOLUTION: add a note to example with styled div that swapping div for p isn't good enough, needs to be a hx tag.
22:36:53 <MichaelC> topic: Proposed SC Information and Cues are provided when content requires user input
22:37:05 <MichaelC> http://trace.wisc.edu/wcag_wiki/index.php?title=Information_and_Cues_are_provided_when_content_requires_user_input
22:38:20 <MichaelC> executes direction of group from 21 Dec 2006 to create SC based on our straw poll results
22:39:34 <MichaelC> RESOLUTION: Take to survey
22:42:15 <MichaelC> topic: 1450
22:42:19 <MichaelC> http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/WCAG20/issue-tracking/viewdata_individual.php?id=1450
22:46:25 <becka11y> here is the updated failure discussed earlier: http://trace.wisc.edu/wcag_wiki/index.php?title=Failure_of_1.3.1_due_to_using_changes_in_text_presentation_to_convey_information_without_using_the_appropriate_markup#Examples
22:47:52 <MichaelC> RESOLUTION: Take to survey
22:48:48 <MichaelC> topic: 1080
22:48:55 <MichaelC> http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/WCAG20/issue-tracking/viewdata_individual.php?id=1080
22:49:04 <MichaelC> Cynthia and David have open action; David sent email
22:49:17 <MichaelC> ACTION: Cynthia and David to develop proposal
22:49:54 <MichaelC> topic: 959
22:49:57 <MichaelC> http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/WCAG20/issue-tracking/viewdata_individual.php?id=959
22:52:06 <MichaelC> borrow piece of the proposal from 958
22:58:20 <MichaelC> leave alone for now, no quick solution
22:58:24 <MichaelC> topic: 979
22:58:52 <MichaelC> http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/WCAG20/issue-tracking/viewdata_individual.php?id=979