XHTML2 Working Group Teleconference

Minutes of 08 July 2009

Agenda
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2009Jul/0007
Present
Steven Pemberton, Tina Holmboe, Markus Gylling, Shane McCarron
Regrets
Alessio Cartocci
Scribe
Steven Pemberton
IRC Log
Original and Editable Wiki Version
Resolutions

None.

Topics
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13:40:58 <trackbot> Meeting: XHTML2 Working Group Teleconference
13:40:58 <trackbot> Date: 08 July 2009
13:41:08 <Steven_> Regrets: Alessio
13:41:17 <Tina> Zakim, code?

Tina Holmboe: Zakim, code?

13:41:17 <Zakim> the conference code is 94865 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), Tina

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13:46:13 <Steven_> zakim, dial steven-617

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13:46:56 <Steven_> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2009Jul/0007
13:47:06 <Steven_> Steven_ has changed the topic to: Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2009Jul/0007

Steven Pemberton: Steven_ has changed the topic to: Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2009Jul/0007

13:47:42 <Steven_> zakim, who is here?

Steven Pemberton: zakim, who is here?

13:47:42 <Zakim> On the phone I see no one

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see no one

13:47:44 <Zakim> On IRC I see mgylling, ShaneM, Zakim, RRSAgent, Tina, Steven_, trackbot

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see mgylling, ShaneM, Zakim, RRSAgent, Tina, Steven_, trackbot

13:48:47 <Steven_> Present: Steven, Tina, Markus, Shane
13:49:28 <Steven_> Scribe: Steven

(Scribe set to Steven Pemberton)

13:51:36 <Steven_> Topic: Holidays

1. Holidays

13:52:03 <Steven_> Steven: I'm here next week, then gone for 3 weeks

Steven Pemberton: I'm here next week, then gone for 3 weeks

13:52:14 <Steven_> Tina: gone 15-22 Aug

Tina Holmboe: gone 15-22 Aug

13:52:27 <Steven_> Markus: Similar to yours Steven

Markus Gylling: Similar to yours Steven

13:52:36 <Steven_> Shane: We don't do holidays

Shane McCarron: We don't do holidays

13:53:28 <Steven_> Shane: If Alessio and Gregory are around then we might meet

Shane McCarron: If Alessio and Gregory are around then we might meet

13:54:39 <Steven_> Markus: What about MoZ?

Markus Gylling: What about MoZ?

13:54:42 <Steven_> Steven: Don't know

Steven Pemberton: Don't know

13:55:05 <Steven_> Markus: It would be good to know if we can count on him for the PERs

Markus Gylling: It would be good to know if we can count on him for the PERs

13:56:47 <Steven_> Steven: I'll ping him

Steven Pemberton: I'll ping him

13:56:59 <Steven_> Topic: The FAQ

2. The FAQ

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14:18:35 <ShaneM> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Drafts/#xhtml12

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Shane McCarron: http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Drafts/#xhtml12

14:21:51 <Steven_> Shane: We have to produce notes of everything on our drafts page

Shane McCarron: We have to produce notes of everything on our drafts page

14:21:57 <Steven_> ... that includes XHTML 1.2

... that includes XHTML 1.2

14:22:03 <Steven_> ... so I'll turn that into a note

... so I'll turn that into a note

14:22:29 <Steven_> ... that will give people using WAI ARIA something to validate against

... that will give people using WAI ARIA something to validate against

14:22:47 <Steven_> Markus: I would love to see RelaxNG versions as well

Markus Gylling: I would love to see RelaxNG versions as well

14:23:06 <Steven_> ... can we do informative versions?

... can we do informative versions?

14:23:15 <Steven_> Shane: Sure, as a note

Shane McCarron: Sure, as a note

14:23:27 <Steven_> ... in fact, I may already have done it

... in fact, I may already have done it

14:24:18 <Steven_> Steven: looking at http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2008/ED-xhtml12-20081223/doctype.html#s_doctype

Steven Pemberton: looking at http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2008/ED-xhtml12-20081223/doctype.html#s_doctype

14:24:23 <ShaneM> ACTION: Shane to produce RelaxNG implementations for XHTML 1.1, XHTML Print, XHTML Basic 1.1, and XHTML + RDFa

ACTION: Shane to produce RelaxNG implementations for XHTML 1.1, XHTML Print, XHTML Basic 1.1, and XHTML + RDFa

14:24:23 <trackbot> Created ACTION-90 - Produce RelaxNG implementations for XHTML 1.1, XHTML Print, XHTML Basic 1.1, and XHTML + RDFa [on Shane McCarron - due 2009-07-15].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-90 - Produce RelaxNG implementations for XHTML 1.1, XHTML Print, XHTML Basic 1.1, and XHTML + RDFa [on Shane McCarron - due 2009-07-15].

14:24:43 <Steven_> Steven: It links to WAI ARIA, but the reference is missing

Steven Pemberton: It links to WAI ARIA, but the reference is missing

14:25:13 <Steven_> ... role and access references are missing too

... role and access references are missing too

14:25:30 <ShaneM> ACTION: Shane to update the XHTML 1.2 draft to correct the references and ensure the schema implementations are up to date.

ACTION: Shane to update the XHTML 1.2 draft to correct the references and ensure the schema implementations are up to date.

14:25:30 <trackbot> Created ACTION-91 - Update the XHTML 1.2 draft to correct the references and ensure the schema implementations are up to date. [on Shane McCarron - due 2009-07-15].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-91 - Update the XHTML 1.2 draft to correct the references and ensure the schema implementations are up to date. [on Shane McCarron - due 2009-07-15].

14:26:03 <ShaneM> ACTION: Shane convert ALL rec-track drafts to notes by 2009-12-31

ACTION: Shane convert ALL rec-track drafts to notes by 2009-12-31

14:26:03 <trackbot> Created ACTION-92 - Convert ALL rec-track drafts to notes by 2009-12-31 [on Shane McCarron - due 2009-07-15].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-92 - Convert ALL rec-track drafts to notes by 2009-12-31 [on Shane McCarron - due 2009-07-15].

14:27:09 <Steven_> Shane: I'm disappointed about XHTML 1.0

Shane McCarron: I'm disappointed about XHTML 1.0

14:27:20 <Steven_> ... appendix C is wildly out of date

... appendix C is wildly out of date

14:27:31 <Steven_> ... and really needs to be updated

... and really needs to be updated

14:27:56 <Steven_> ... is there anything we can do about that?

... is there anything we can do about that?

14:28:01 <Steven_> Steven: I don't think so

Steven Pemberton: I don't think so

14:28:42 <Steven_> Shane: There are still some updates to make to that note, comments from the public, typo's etc

Shane McCarron: There are still some updates to make to that note, comments from the public, typo's etc

14:29:27 <Steven_> Steven: At least notes are lower hurdle to produce

Steven Pemberton: At least notes are lower hurdle to produce

14:30:03 <Steven_> Topic: Issues

3. Issues

14:30:47 <Steven_> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2009/bjoern-issues.html

http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2009/bjoern-issues.html

14:31:25 <Tina> Zakim, mute me

Tina Holmboe: Zakim, mute me

14:31:25 <Zakim> sorry, Tina, I don't know what conference this is

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14:31:30 <Steven_> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2009/bjoern-issues.html#ISSUE14

ISSUE-14">http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2009/bjoern-issues.html#ISSUE-14

14:31:44 <ShaneM> zakim, this is XHTML

Shane McCarron: zakim, this is XHTML

14:31:44 <Zakim> ok, ShaneM; that matches IA_XHTML2()9:45AM

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, ShaneM; that matches IA_XHTML2()9:45AM

14:31:53 <ShaneM> zakim, mute tina

Shane McCarron: zakim, mute tina

14:31:53 <Zakim> sorry, ShaneM, I do not know which phone connection belongs to tina

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, ShaneM, I do not know which phone connection belongs to tina

14:33:24 <Steven_> zakim, who is here?

zakim, who is here?

14:33:25 <Zakim> On the phone I see ??P31, +04670602aaaa, McCarron

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see ??P31, +04670602aaaa, McCarron

14:33:25 <Zakim> On IRC I see mgylling, ShaneM, RRSAgent, Tina, Steven_, trackbot

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see mgylling, ShaneM, RRSAgent, Tina, Steven_, trackbot

14:35:22 <ShaneM> zakim, mccarron is ShaneM

Shane McCarron: zakim, mccarron is ShaneM

14:35:22 <Zakim> +ShaneM; got it

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14:35:30 <Steven_> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/xhtml2/meeting/2009-06-24#__40_lang

http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/xhtml2/meeting/2009-06-24#__40_lang

14:36:19 <Steven_> Subtopic: @lang (again)

3.1. @lang (again)

14:36:58 <Steven_> Shane: Is he asking for anything here? Do we need to say anything?

Shane McCarron: Is he asking for anything here? Do we need to say anything?

14:37:35 <Steven_> ... our rrationale is perfectly good

... our rrationale is perfectly good

14:37:38 <Steven_> s/rr/r/

s/rr/r/

14:38:20 <Steven_> ... if he's claiming that we want to reintroduce it to support text/html then that is not the case

... if he's claiming that we want to reintroduce it to support text/html then that is not the case

14:38:37 <Steven_> Steven: You're right, we were asked to do this, we agree

Steven Pemberton: You're right, we were asked to do this, we agree

14:39:09 <Steven_> Shane: We say helps assistive technologies; how is that wrong???

Shane McCarron: We say helps assistive technologies; how is that wrong???

14:39:19 <Steven_> ... so we don't need to change anything

... so we don't need to change anything

14:39:26 <Steven_> Subtopic: @usemap

3.2. @usemap

14:39:37 <Steven_> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2009/bjoern-issues.html#ISSUE15

ISSUE-15">http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2009/bjoern-issues.html#ISSUE-15

14:40:44 <Steven_> Steven: The trouble is, this is against a different spec, right?

Steven Pemberton: The trouble is, this is against a different spec, right?

14:41:14 <Steven_> ... Masayasu tested this against browsers long ago

... Masayasu tested this against browsers long ago

14:41:31 <Steven_> ... we ssaid we would support what that revealed

... we ssaid we would support what that revealed

14:41:41 <Steven_> s/ss/

s/ss/

14:41:56 <Steven_> ... but the change has to be made in M12N, not 1.1

... but the change has to be made in M12N, not 1.1

14:44:03 <Steven_> Shane: We made a conscious decision at sometime to leave this as is

Shane McCarron: We made a conscious decision at sometime to leave this as is

14:45:30 <ShaneM> http://htmlwg.mn.aptest.com/cgi-bin/voyager-issues

Shane McCarron: http://htmlwg.mn.aptest.com/cgi-bin/voyager-issues

14:45:57 <ShaneM> http://htmlwg.mn.aptest.com/cgi-bin/voyager-issues/Modularization-abstractions?id=9641;user=guest;selectid=9641;statetype=-1;upostype=-1;changetype=-1;restype=-1

Shane McCarron: http://htmlwg.mn.aptest.com/cgi-bin/voyager-issues/Modularization-abstractions?id=9641;user=guest;selectid=9641;statetype=-1;upostype=-1;changetype=-1;restype=-1

14:46:43 <Steven_> http://www.w3.org/People/mimasa/test/imagemap/results

http://www.w3.org/People/mimasa/test/imagemap/results

14:47:55 <Steven_> Shane: It is a bug that it includes a #, but it is one that needs to be fixed

Shane McCarron: It is a bug that it includes a #, but it is one that needs to be fixed

14:48:27 <Steven_> Steven: then we have to fix M12N

Steven Pemberton: then we have to fix M12N

14:49:15 <Steven_> ... M12N 1.1 needs fixing

... M12N 1.1 needs fixing

14:49:23 <Steven_> ... and the FAQ doesn't mention that

... and the FAQ doesn't mention that

14:49:41 <Steven_> ... unless that's what they mean by M12N 1.0 2e

... unless that's what they mean by M12N 1.0 2e

14:49:53 <Steven_> Shane: We would break M12N rules to change the datatype

Shane McCarron: We would break M12N rules to change the datatype

14:50:15 <Steven_> Steven: We have to leave this as is, and explain why

Steven Pemberton: We have to leave this as is, and explain why

14:50:33 <Steven_> ... this is a bug against M12N, not XHTML 1.1

... this is a bug against M12N, not XHTML 1.1

14:50:48 <Steven_> [ADJOURN]

[ADJOURN]

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14:50:54 <Zakim> -Steven

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14:50:55 <Zakim> -??P31

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14:50:57 <Zakim> Attendees were +04670602aaaa, ShaneM, Steven

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14:54:42 <Steven_> rrsagent, make minutes

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