XHTML2 Working Group Teleconference

Minutes of 24 June 2009

Agenda
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2009Jun/0015.html
Seen
Alessio Cartocci, Markus Gylling, Shane McCarron, Steven Pemberton, Tina Holmboe
Regrets
Alessio Cartocci
Scribe
Steven Pemberton
IRC Log
Original and Editable Wiki Version
Resolutions

None.

Topics
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13:44:31 <trackbot> Meeting: XHTML2 Working Group Teleconference
13:44:31 <trackbot> Date: 24 June 2009
13:45:01 <Steven> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2009Jun/0015.html
13:45:19 <Steven> Steven has changed the topic to: aGENDA: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2009Jun/0015.html

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13:45:48 <Steven> Steven has changed the topic to: Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2009Jun/0015

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13:50:56 <Steven> Regrets: Alessio
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13:53:48 <Steven> Scribe: Steven

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13:54:03 <Steven> Topic: The issues

1. The issues

13:54:04 <Steven> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2009/bjoern-issues

http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2009/bjoern-issues

13:55:25 <Steven> Subtopic: @name

1.1. @name

13:55:26 <Steven> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2009/bjoern-issues.html#ISSUE

http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2009/bjoern-issues.html#ISSUE

13:55:59 <Steven> Steven: I believe this is dealt with

Steven Pemberton: I believe this is dealt with

13:56:11 <Steven> Subtopic: Informative references

1.2. Informative references

13:56:23 <Steven> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2009/bjoern-issues.html#ISSUE1

ISSUE-1">http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2009/bjoern-issues.html#ISSUE-1

13:56:48 <Steven> Steven: I believe also dealt with

Steven Pemberton: I believe also dealt with

13:57:43 <Steven> Subtopic: 5th Ed

1.3. 5th Ed

13:57:44 <Steven> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2009/bjoern-issues.html#ISSUE2

ISSUE-2">http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2009/bjoern-issues.html#ISSUE-2

13:57:55 <Steven> Shane: We had agreed we couldn't do that

Shane McCarron: We had agreed we couldn't do that

13:58:01 <Steven> Steven: Yes, it is deliberate

Steven Pemberton: Yes, it is deliberate

13:58:19 <Steven> Subtopic: SotD

1.4. SotD

13:58:20 <Steven> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2009/bjoern-issues.html#ISSUE3

ISSUE-3">http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2009/bjoern-issues.html#ISSUE-3

14:00:40 <Steven> Steven: This is a typo s/A/C/

Steven Pemberton: This is a typo s/A/C/

14:00:50 <Steven> ACTION: Shane to fix the SotD to refer to Appx C

ACTION: Shane to fix the SotD to refer to Appx C

14:00:50 <trackbot> Created ACTION-87 - Fix the SotD to refer to Appx C [on Shane McCarron - due 2009-07-01].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-87 - Fix the SotD to refer to Appx C [on Shane McCarron - due 2009-07-01].

14:01:24 <Steven> Subtopic: Appx C

1.5. Appx C

14:01:25 <Steven> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2009/bjoern-issues.html#ISSUE4

ISSUE-4">http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2009/bjoern-issues.html#ISSUE-4

14:02:13 <Steven> Steven: This was always an informative appx, meant to advise on practise, and moving it to a note is much more suitable for such information

Steven Pemberton: This was always an informative appx, meant to advise on practise, and moving it to a note is much more suitable for such information

14:02:23 <Steven> Shane: We need to update that note

Shane McCarron: We need to update that note

14:02:28 <Steven> Steven: That's the whole point

Steven Pemberton: That's the whole point

14:03:11 <Steven> Steven: Because people were assuming Appx C was normative, and because it was part of the TR, only made for problems

Steven Pemberton: Because people were assuming Appx C was normative, and because it was part of the TR, only made for problems

14:03:21 <Steven> ... since it made it difficult to update

... since it made it difficult to update

14:03:37 <Steven> Shane: Bjoern is one of the worst offenders in taking this appx as gospel

Shane McCarron: Bjoern is one of the worst offenders in taking this appx as gospel

14:04:03 <Steven> Subtopic: Broken links and xml:lang
14:04:04 <Steven> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2009/bjoern-issues.html#ISSUE5

ISSUE-5">http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2009/bjoern-issues.html#ISSUE-5

14:04:31 <Steven> Steven: He should have talked to us

Steven Pemberton: He should have talked to us

14:04:45 <Steven> Shane: I put the anchors back

Shane McCarron: I put the anchors back

14:05:22 <Steven> ... they go to a pointer to the new doc, which has the same anchors, so it is easy for him to update his document

... they go to a pointer to the new doc, which has the same anchors, so it is easy for him to update his document

14:06:09 <Steven> Steven: We don't say that it's compulsory to use both lang and xml:lang

Steven Pemberton: We don't say that it's compulsory to use both lang and xml:lang

14:06:30 <Steven> Shane: True, though we can still update the doc

Shane McCarron: True, though we can still update the doc

14:06:42 <Steven> ACTION: Shane to update use of lang and xml:lang

ACTION: Shane to update use of lang and xml:lang

14:06:42 <trackbot> Created ACTION-88 - Update use of lang and xml:lang [on Shane McCarron - due 2009-07-01].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-88 - Update use of lang and xml:lang [on Shane McCarron - due 2009-07-01].

14:07:14 <Steven> Subtopic: Lack of nesting rules

1.7. Lack of nesting rules

14:07:26 <Steven> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2009/bjoern-issues.html#ISSUE6

ISSUE-6">http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2009/bjoern-issues.html#ISSUE-6

14:08:34 <Steven> Steven: Not true. He's wrong/ We use exclusions in the formal definitions of the modules

Steven Pemberton: Not true. He's wrong/ We use exclusions in the formal definitions of the modules

14:09:07 <Steven> Shane: Is this a new issue, or one he has mentioned before?

Shane McCarron: Is this a new issue, or one he has mentioned before?

14:09:17 <Steven> Steven: He doesn't include a link...

Steven Pemberton: He doesn't include a link...

14:09:32 <Steven> Subtopic: No nesting rules for Ruby

1.8. No nesting rules for Ruby

14:09:42 <Steven> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2009/bjoern-issues.html#ISSUE7

ISSUE-7">http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2009/bjoern-issues.html#ISSUE-7

14:11:16 <Steven> Steven: We just reference the Ruby spec

Steven Pemberton: We just reference the Ruby spec

14:11:32 <Steven> ... which includes the exclusions.

... which includes the exclusions.

14:11:36 <Steven> ... So he's wrong

... So he's wrong

14:12:15 <Steven> Subtopic: Issue 9

1.9. ISSUE-9

14:12:17 <Steven> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2009/bjoern-issues.html#ISSUE8

ISSUE-8">http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2009/bjoern-issues.html#ISSUE-8

14:13:27 <Steven> Steven: One of his URIs is broken. Need to work out what he is talking about

Steven Pemberton: One of his URIs is broken. Need to work out what he is talking about

14:14:18 <Steven> ... maybe about the name attribute

... maybe about the name attribute

14:15:04 <Steven> ... it's this one: http://htmlwg.mn.aptest.com/cgi-bin/voyager-issues/XHTML-1.0-SE?user=guest;selectid=6504;statetype=-1;upostype=-1;changetype=-1;restype=-1

... it's this one: http://htmlwg.mn.aptest.com/cgi-bin/voyager-issues/XHTML-1.0-SE?user=guest;selectid=6504;statetype=-1;upostype=-1;changetype=-1;restype=-1

14:15:31 <Steven> ... which is the same as the issue 1 above

... which is the same as the ISSUE-1 above

14:15:57 <Steven> Subtopic: References

1.10. References

14:15:57 <Steven> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2009/bjoern-issues.html#ISSUE9

ISSUE-9">http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2009/bjoern-issues.html#ISSUE-9

14:16:11 <Steven> Steven: I think this has been addressed

Steven Pemberton: I think this has been addressed

14:16:13 <Steven> Shane: It has

Shane McCarron: It has

14:16:32 <Steven> Subtopic: DOCTYPE Optional

1.11. DOCTYPE Optional

14:16:33 <Steven> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2009/bjoern-issues.html#ISSUE10

ISSUE-10">http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2009/bjoern-issues.html#ISSUE-10

14:16:40 <Steven> Shane: What do you want to do?

Shane McCarron: What do you want to do?

14:17:09 <Steven> Shane: This was TimBL's idea. I disagree with optional DOCTYPEs myself

Shane McCarron: This was TimBL's idea. I disagree with optional DOCTYPEs myself

14:17:27 <Steven> Steven: What do we do?

Steven Pemberton: What do we do?

14:17:40 <Steven> Shane: Change it back

Shane McCarron: Change it back

14:17:54 <Steven> Steven: OK by me

Steven Pemberton: OK by me

14:18:38 <Steven> Steven: He calls this a process violation

Steven Pemberton: He calls this a process violation

14:18:59 <Steven> Steven: Change back?

Steven Pemberton: Change back?

14:19:04 <Steven> Shane: Sure

Shane McCarron: Sure

14:19:21 <Steven> ACTION: Shane to make doctype required

ACTION: Shane to make doctype required

14:19:21 <trackbot> Created ACTION-89 - Make doctype required [on Shane McCarron - due 2009-07-01].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-89 - Make doctype required [on Shane McCarron - due 2009-07-01].

14:19:46 <Steven> Subtopic: @version

1.12. @version

14:19:47 <Steven> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2009/bjoern-issues.html#ISSUE12

ISSUE-12">http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2009/bjoern-issues.html#ISSUE-12

14:20:30 <Steven> Shane: We don't require it

Shane McCarron: We don't require it

14:20:36 <Steven> ... it is in HTML4 and XHTML 1.0

... it is in HTML4 and XHTML 1.0

14:21:34 <Steven> ... and deprecation isn't a problem; you can reprecate

... and deprecation isn't a problem; you can reprecate

14:21:46 <Steven> ... but what change would he like to make?

... but what change would he like to make?

14:21:54 <Steven> Steven: True, not actually an issue in that case

Steven Pemberton: True, not actually an issue in that case

14:22:47 <Steven> Subtopic: Change not mentioned

1.13. Change not mentioned

14:23:13 <Steven> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2009/bjoern-issues.html#ISSUE13

ISSUE-13">http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2009/bjoern-issues.html#ISSUE-13

14:23:50 <Steven> Shane: Modualrization widened the datatype of @version to CDATA

Shane McCarron: Modualrization widened the datatype of @version to CDATA

14:24:02 <Steven> ... so in RDFa we used something more friendly

... so in RDFa we used something more friendly

14:24:56 <Steven> ... Not sure which change he is referring to...

... Not sure which change he is referring to...

14:25:09 <Steven> Steven: We should investigate if there is a case to mention this

Steven Pemberton: We should investigate if there is a case to mention this

14:25:34 <Steven> ... I'm not convinced this really is a change in the sense he means it

... I'm not convinced this really is a change in the sense he means it

14:26:01 <Steven> Subtopic: @lang

1.14. @lang

14:26:02 <Steven> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2009/bjoern-issues.html#ISSUE14

ISSUE-14">http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2009/bjoern-issues.html#ISSUE-14

14:27:00 <Steven> Steven: He points to a message from someone outside the group and claims that that is our reason

Steven Pemberton: He points to a message from someone outside the group and claims that that is our reason

14:27:04 <Steven> ... but it's not

... but it's not

14:27:19 <Steven> Shane: It is not a reason, it is a cause

Shane McCarron: It is not a reason, it is a cause

14:27:47 <Steven> Steven: We asked accessibility people if it would help and they said yes

Steven Pemberton: We asked accessibility people if it would help and they said yes

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14:30:35 <Steven> Shane: I have to leave now

Shane McCarron: I have to leave now

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14:37:14 <Zakim> Attendees were Markus, McCarron, Steven, Tina

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