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13:42:08 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be IA_XHTML2
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13:42:08 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see IA_XHTML2()9:45AM scheduled to start in 3 minutes
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13:42:09 <trackbot> Meeting: XHTML2 Working Group Teleconference
13:42:09 <trackbot> Date - 22 April 2009
Trackbot IRC Bot: Date - 22 April 2009 ←
13:42:21 <Roland> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2009Apr/0042.html
13:42:27 <Roland> Chair: Roland
13:42:49 <Tina> I sent a regret message (no voice).
Tina Holmboe: I sent a regret message (no voice). ←
13:43:06 <Tina> It appears it got lost somewhere in the W3C mailing list system.
Tina Holmboe: It appears it got lost somewhere in the W3C mailing list system. ←
13:44:42 <Zakim> IA_XHTML2()9:45AM has now started
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13:44:49 <Zakim> +Roland
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13:45:22 <Zakim> +Markus
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13:46:09 <Zakim> +McCarron
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13:46:24 <Steven> zakim, dial steven-617
Steven Pemberton: zakim, dial steven-617 ←
13:46:24 <Zakim> ok, Steven; the call is being made
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13:46:25 <Zakim> +Steven
Zakim IRC Bot: +Steven ←
13:48:09 <oedipus> regrets+ Tina
Gregory Rosmaita: regrets+ Tina ←
13:49:08 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
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13:49:20 <alessio> zakim, IPcaller is Alessio
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13:49:20 <Zakim> +Alessio; got it
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13:50:06 <ShaneM> zakim, who is here
Shane McCarron: zakim, who is here ←
13:50:06 <Zakim> ShaneM, you need to end that query with '?'
Zakim IRC Bot: ShaneM, you need to end that query with '?' ←
13:50:07 <Steven> scribe: Steven
(Scribe set to Steven Pemberton)
13:50:09 <Zakim> +Gregory_Rosmaita
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13:50:10 <ShaneM> zakim, who is here?
Shane McCarron: zakim, who is here? ←
13:50:11 <Zakim> On the phone I see Roland, Markus, McCarron, Steven, Alessio, Gregory_Rosmaita
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Roland, Markus, McCarron, Steven, Alessio, Gregory_Rosmaita ←
13:50:12 <Zakim> On IRC I see alessio, Steven, oedipus, Zakim, RRSAgent, markus, Roland, ShaneM, Tina, markbirbeck, trackbot
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see alessio, Steven, oedipus, Zakim, RRSAgent, markus, Roland, ShaneM, Tina, markbirbeck, trackbot ←
13:50:55 <Steven> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2009Apr/0042
13:51:01 <Steven> Topic: Documents
13:51:19 <Steven> Subtopic: PERs
13:52:37 <oedipus> SP: out of our hands now that transition request submitted; wait until end of review period - approximately 4 weeks
Steven Pemberton: out of our hands now that transition request submitted; wait until end of review period - approximately 4 weeks [ Scribe Assist by Gregory Rosmaita ] ←
13:52:42 <oedipus> RM: end of may, then?
Roland Merrick: end of may, then? [ Scribe Assist by Gregory Rosmaita ] ←
13:52:52 <oedipus> SP: yes
Steven Pemberton: yes [ Scribe Assist by Gregory Rosmaita ] ←
13:52:58 <Steven> Subtopic: Access
13:53:11 <Roland> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2009Apr/0043.html
Roland Merrick: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2009Apr/0043.html ←
13:53:11 <oedipus> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2009Apr/0043.html
Gregory Rosmaita: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2009Apr/0043.html ←
13:53:18 <oedipus> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2009/CR-xhtml-access-20090417/xhtml-access-diff.html
Gregory Rosmaita: http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2009/CR-xhtml-access-20090417/xhtml-access-diff.html ←
13:54:14 <oedipus> SP: sinking feeling comparing DIFF document and current draft cited above -- normative change - not quite happy with going to CR, but fear must go back through LC -- added @media and @order so probably need to recycle
Steven Pemberton: sinking feeling comparing DIFF document and current draft cited above -- normative change - not quite happy with going to CR, but fear must go back through LC -- added @media and @order so probably need to recycle [ Scribe Assist by Gregory Rosmaita ] ←
13:54:17 <oedipus> RM: correct
Roland Merrick: correct [ Scribe Assist by Gregory Rosmaita ] ←
13:54:38 <oedipus> SP: don't think can get away with CR, have to take to Last Call again because of normative changes
Steven Pemberton: don't think can get away with CR, have to take to Last Call again because of normative changes [ Scribe Assist by Gregory Rosmaita ] ←
13:55:09 <oedipus> proposed RESOLVED: cycle Access Module back through Last Call
Gregory Rosmaita: proposed RESOLVED: cycle Access Module back through Last Call ←
13:55:31 <oedipus> RESOLVED: cycle Access Module back through Last Call
RESOLVED: cycle Access Module back through Last Call ←
13:55:40 <oedipus> SM: timing?
Shane McCarron: timing? [ Scribe Assist by Gregory Rosmaita ] ←
13:55:46 <oedipus> RM: short document - short LC
Roland Merrick: short document - short LC [ Scribe Assist by Gregory Rosmaita ] ←
13:55:51 <oedipus> SP: official minimum is 3 weeks
Steven Pemberton: official minimum is 3 weeks [ Scribe Assist by Gregory Rosmaita ] ←
13:56:11 <oedipus> SP: HCG call this friday at which will mention - can ask if any objections to 3 or 4 week LC period
Steven Pemberton: HCG call this friday at which will mention - can ask if any objections to 3 or 4 week LC period [ Scribe Assist by Gregory Rosmaita ] ←
13:56:26 <oedipus> SM: target 31 may 2009 as END of review period
Shane McCarron: target 31 may 2009 as END of review period [ Scribe Assist by Gregory Rosmaita ] ←
13:56:43 <oedipus> RESOLVED: XHTML2 WG will target 29 May 2009 as end of review period
RESOLVED: XHTML2 WG will target 29 May 2009 as end of review period ←
13:57:02 <oedipus> SP: need to update action item to request LC
Steven Pemberton: need to update action item to request LC [ Scribe Assist by Gregory Rosmaita ] ←
13:57:34 <oedipus> i/SP: out of our hands/ScribeNick+ oedipus
Gregory Rosmaita: i/SP: out of our hands/ScribeNick+ oedipus ←
13:58:11 <oedipus> rrsagent, make minutes
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13:58:11 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/04/22-xhtml-minutes.html oedipus
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13:58:31 <oedipus> rrsagent, make logs world
Gregory Rosmaita: rrsagent, make logs world ←
14:00:29 <oedipus> http://esw.w3.org/topic/PF/XTech/HTML5/UAI-TF
Gregory Rosmaita: http://esw.w3.org/topic/PF/XTech/HTML5/UAI-TF ←
14:00:44 <Steven> scribe: Steven
14:01:08 <Steven> Subtopic: WAI-ARIA last call comments
14:01:47 <Steven> Steven: As I understand it, the ball is in WAI's court, to provide new wording, and run it past the affected people
Steven Pemberton: As I understand it, the ball is in WAI's court, to provide new wording, and run it past the affected people ←
14:02:11 <Steven> Gregory: There is some worry about ARIA being delayed
Gregory Rosmaita: There is some worry about ARIA being delayed ←
14:04:22 <Steven> ... I am also missing a role="form"
... I am also missing a role="form" ←
14:06:28 <Steven> Roland: Let's discuss this at length tomorrow
Roland Merrick: Let's discuss this at length tomorrow ←
14:06:38 <oedipus> ACTION: Gregory - prepare wiki page with background to ARIA's role dependency question
ACTION: Gregory - prepare wiki page with background to ARIA's role dependency question ←
14:06:38 <trackbot> Created ACTION-75 - - prepare wiki page with background to ARIA's role dependency question [on Gregory Rosmaita - due 2009-04-29].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-75 - - prepare wiki page with background to ARIA's role dependency question [on Gregory Rosmaita - due 2009-04-29]. ←
14:06:39 <Steven> Topic: Actions
14:07:02 <oedipus> f2f agenda request - D for dialog: http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/xhtml2/wiki/ProposedElements/D
Gregory Rosmaita: f2f agenda request - D for dialog: http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/xhtml2/wiki/ProposedElements/D ←
14:07:02 <oedipus> D for dialog issue - "a single letter element to mark dialog (block and inline) should be added to XHTML2": http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/tracker/issues/3
Gregory Rosmaita: D for dialog issue - "a single letter element to mark dialog (block and inline) should be added to XHTML2": http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/tracker/issues/3 ←
14:07:03 <Steven> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/tracker/actions/open
http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/tracker/actions/open ←
14:07:36 <Tina> I'd suggest 'dialogue' instead of 'd'
Tina Holmboe: I'd suggest 'dialogue' instead of 'd' ←
14:08:00 <oedipus> tina, dialogue is problematic because of dialog - a different concept entirely
Gregory Rosmaita: tina, dialogue is problematic because of dialog - a different concept entirely ←
14:08:33 <oedipus> tina, HTML5's mistake is to use dialog as the element name - it is wrong, plus D will be used A LOT on pages (short stories, etc.) so a terse element name is best
Gregory Rosmaita: tina, HTML5's mistake is to use dialog as the element name - it is wrong, plus D will be used A LOT on pages (short stories, etc.) so a terse element name is best ←
14:08:59 <Tina> 'd' is problematic 'cause it's a single letter. Being terse isn't a good idea in a language designed for both automatic and manual production.
Tina Holmboe: 'd' is problematic 'cause it's a single letter. Being terse isn't a good idea in a language designed for both automatic and manual production. ←
14:09:01 <Steven> Close ACTION-67
14:09:01 <trackbot> ACTION-67 - talk to Richard to ask if someone from ITS can join an XHTML2 call to discuss this further closed
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-67 - talk to Richard to ask if someone from ITS can join an XHTML2 call to discuss this further closed ←
14:10:57 <Steven> Roland: We can do 71 tomorrow
Roland Merrick: We can do 71 tomorrow ←
14:11:07 <Steven> Gregory: I can see if Janina can join us tomorrow
Gregory Rosmaita: I can see if Janina can join us tomorrow ←
14:11:37 <Steven> Roland: 73?
Roland Merrick: 73? ←
14:11:55 <Steven> Shane: Not done yet
Shane McCarron: Not done yet ←
14:12:01 <Steven> ... actually really hard
... actually really hard ←
14:13:08 <ShaneM> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2009Apr/0002.html
Shane McCarron: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2009Apr/0002.html ←
14:13:31 <Steven> close action-74
14:13:31 <trackbot> ACTION-74 Reply to message 0002 closed
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-74 Reply to message 0002 closed ←
14:13:51 <Steven> Roland: 75?
Roland Merrick: 75? ←
14:14:20 <Steven> Shane: Just created!
Shane McCarron: Just created! ←
14:14:25 <Steven> [laughter]
[laughter] ←
14:15:06 <Steven> Topic: VFtF Agenda
14:15:15 <Steven> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/xhtml2/wiki/2009-04-FtF-Agenda#2009-04-23
http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/xhtml2/wiki/2009-04-FtF-Agenda#2009-04-23 ←
14:15:34 <oedipus> tina, the complaint is two-fold: HTML5 is considering an element akin to ARIA's "dialogbox" which would be "dialog" which has a specific programmatic meeting (computing term) whereas all of the english-language reference works explicitly state that "dialogue" is the proper term, but it is a homonym with "dialog" which is a different concept, so to keep ambiguity to a minimum, i have proposed D
Gregory Rosmaita: tina, the complaint is two-fold: HTML5 is considering an element akin to ARIA's "dialogbox" which would be "dialog" which has a specific programmatic meeting (computing term) whereas all of the english-language reference works explicitly state that "dialogue" is the proper term, but it is a homonym with "dialog" which is a different concept, so to keep ambiguity to a minimum, i have proposed D ←
14:15:40 <Steven> Roland: What do we need to talk about for new draft of XHTML2?
Roland Merrick: What do we need to talk about for new draft of XHTML2? ←
14:15:49 <oedipus> f2f agenda request - D for dialog: http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/xhtml2/wiki/ProposedElements/D
Gregory Rosmaita: f2f agenda request - D for dialog: http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/xhtml2/wiki/ProposedElements/D ←
14:16:44 <Steven> Markus: Expressing subsets in modularization
Markus Gylling: Expressing subsets in modularization ←
14:17:48 <Steven> Steven: Isn't that M12N v2 rather than XHTML2?
Steven Pemberton: Isn't that M12N v2 rather than XHTML2? ←
14:18:12 <Steven> Shane: All our work is public now
Shane McCarron: All our work is public now ←
14:18:41 <Steven> ... so I don't understand why we need editor's drafts and WDs
... so I don't understand why we need editor's drafts and WDs ←
14:19:26 <Steven> Steven: A WD is more visible, and an announcement gets made when we produce a WD
Steven Pemberton: A WD is more visible, and an announcement gets made when we produce a WD ←
14:19:54 <Steven> Roland: :And the 'Previous version' links only link WDs
Roland Merrick: :And the 'Previous version' links only link WDs ←
14:19:58 <Steven> s/;/
s/;/ ←
14:20:10 <Steven> Markus: XForms integration is the largest undone work
Markus Gylling: XForms integration is the largest undone work ←
14:20:15 <Steven> Shane: And ITS
Shane McCarron: And ITS ←
14:20:21 <Steven> ... and XML Events 2, which is related
... and XML Events 2, which is related ←
14:20:42 <ShaneM> zakim, who is noisy?
Shane McCarron: zakim, who is noisy? ←
14:20:42 <Zakim> I am sorry, ShaneM; I don't have the necessary resources to track talkers right now
Zakim IRC Bot: I am sorry, ShaneM; I don't have the necessary resources to track talkers right now ←
14:21:34 <Steven> Shane: Also finishing Relax NG and Schema implementations, which are dependent on those issues above
Shane McCarron: Also finishing Relax NG and Schema implementations, which are dependent on those issues above ←
14:21:52 <Steven> ... though we could mark them as Work in Progress
... though we could mark them as Work in Progress ←
14:22:03 <Steven> ... and publish tomorrow
... and publish tomorrow ←
14:22:28 <Steven> Shane: I do have a marked up version of the last ED with many editorial changes which still need to be made
Shane McCarron: I do have a marked up version of the last ED with many editorial changes which still need to be made ←
14:22:38 <Steven> ... another editorial eye would be good
... another editorial eye would be good ←
14:22:57 <Steven> Roland: How about sharing that work out?
Roland Merrick: How about sharing that work out? ←
14:23:09 <Steven> Shane: Each section had a champion in the past
Shane McCarron: Each section had a champion in the past ←
14:23:23 <Steven> ... but we don't have that at present
... but we don't have that at present ←
14:23:58 <Steven> Roland: It helps that we now include stiff by reference
Roland Merrick: It helps that we now include stiff by reference ←
14:24:07 <Steven> s/stiff/stuff
s/stiff/stuff ←
14:24:19 <Steven> Shane: Suggest a date Roland!
Shane McCarron: Suggest a date Roland! ←
14:24:23 <Steven> Roland: In May
Roland Merrick: In May ←
14:24:34 <Steven> ... let's discuss this tomorrow
... let's discuss this tomorrow ←
14:25:31 <Steven> ... I have updated the wiki
... I have updated the wiki ←
14:26:27 <alessio> zakim, mute me
Alessio Cartocci: zakim, mute me ←
14:26:27 <Zakim> Alessio should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: Alessio should now be muted ←
14:27:15 <alessio> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/xhtml2/wiki/2009-04-FtF-Agenda#2009-04-23
Alessio Cartocci: http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/xhtml2/wiki/2009-04-FtF-Agenda#2009-04-23 ←
14:27:46 <Steven> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2009Apr/0041.html
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2009Apr/0041.html ←
14:28:05 <Steven> Steven: Can we just prepare now for the ITS discussion?
Steven Pemberton: Can we just prepare now for the ITS discussion? ←
14:28:43 <Steven> Roland: Let us prep before 14utc, ready for the actual discussion at 14utc
Roland Merrick: Let us prep before 14utc, ready for the actual discussion at 14utc ←
14:28:48 <Steven> Steven: Excellent
Steven Pemberton: Excellent ←
14:28:57 <alessio> ok
Alessio Cartocci: ok ←
14:30:32 <Steven> Previous discussion - http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/xhtml2/meeting/2009-03-26#how_to_incorporate_ITS
Previous discussion - http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/xhtml2/meeting/2009-03-26#how_to_incorporate_ITS ←
14:32:15 <alessio> zakim, unmute me
Alessio Cartocci: zakim, unmute me ←
14:32:15 <Zakim> Alessio should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: Alessio should no longer be muted ←
14:32:28 <Zakim> -Markus
Zakim IRC Bot: -Markus ←
14:32:30 <Zakim> -Steven
Zakim IRC Bot: -Steven ←
14:32:33 <Zakim> -Gregory_Rosmaita
Zakim IRC Bot: -Gregory_Rosmaita ←
14:32:37 <Zakim> -Roland
Zakim IRC Bot: -Roland ←
14:32:38 <Zakim> -Alessio
Zakim IRC Bot: -Alessio ←
14:32:38 <Zakim> -McCarron
Zakim IRC Bot: -McCarron ←
14:32:40 <Zakim> IA_XHTML2()9:45AM has ended
Zakim IRC Bot: IA_XHTML2()9:45AM has ended ←
14:32:41 <Zakim> Attendees were Roland, Markus, McCarron, Steven, Alessio, Gregory_Rosmaita
Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were Roland, Markus, McCarron, Steven, Alessio, Gregory_Rosmaita ←
14:32:41 <Steven> [ADJOURN]
[ADJOURN] ←
14:33:45 <Steven> rrsagent, make log public
rrsagent, make log public ←
14:33:56 <alessio> bye!
Alessio Cartocci: bye! ←
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