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13:42:04 <RRSAgent> RRSAgent has joined #xhtml 13:42:04 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2009/04/22-xhtml-irc 13:42:06 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public 13:42:06 <Zakim> Zakim has joined #xhtml 13:42:08 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be IA_XHTML2 13:42:08 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see IA_XHTML2()9:45AM scheduled to start in 3 minutes 13:42:09 <trackbot> Meeting: XHTML2 Working Group Teleconference 13:42:09 <trackbot> Date - 22 April 2009 13:42:21 <Roland> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2009Apr/0042.html 13:42:27 <Roland> Chair: Roland 13:42:49 <Tina> I sent a regret message (no voice). 13:43:06 <Tina> It appears it got lost somewhere in the W3C mailing list system. 13:44:00 <oedipus_away> oedipus_away has joined #xhtml 13:44:42 <Zakim> IA_XHTML2()9:45AM has now started 13:44:49 <Zakim> +Roland 13:44:51 <Steven> Steven has joined #xhtml 13:44:53 <Steven> Steven has joined #xhtml 13:45:22 <Zakim> +Markus 13:46:09 <Zakim> +McCarron 13:46:24 <Steven> zakim, dial steven-617 13:46:24 <Zakim> ok, Steven; the call is being made 13:46:25 <Zakim> +Steven 13:47:09 <alessio> alessio has joined #xhtml 13:48:09 <oedipus> regrets+ Tina 13:49:08 <Zakim> +[IPcaller] 13:49:20 <alessio> zakim, IPcaller is Alessio 13:49:20 <Zakim> +Alessio; got it 13:50:06 <ShaneM> zakim, who is here 13:50:06 <Zakim> ShaneM, you need to end that query with '?' 13:50:07 <Steven> scribe: Steven 13:50:09 <Zakim> +Gregory_Rosmaita 13:50:10 <ShaneM> zakim, who is here? 13:50:11 <Zakim> On the phone I see Roland, Markus, McCarron, Steven, Alessio, Gregory_Rosmaita 13:50:12 <Zakim> On IRC I see alessio, Steven, oedipus, Zakim, RRSAgent, markus, Roland, ShaneM, Tina, markbirbeck, trackbot 13:50:55 <Steven> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2009Apr/0042 13:51:01 <Steven> Topic: Documents 13:51:19 <Steven> Subtopic: PERs 13:52:37 <oedipus> SP: out of our hands now that transition request submitted; wait until end of review period - approximately 4 weeks 13:52:42 <oedipus> RM: end of may, then? 13:52:52 <oedipus> SP: yes 13:52:58 <Steven> Subtopic: Access 13:53:11 <Roland> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2009Apr/0043.html 13:53:11 <oedipus> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2009Apr/0043.html 13:53:18 <oedipus> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2009/CR-xhtml-access-20090417/xhtml-access-diff.html 13:54:14 <oedipus> SP: sinking feeling comparing DIFF document and current draft cited above -- normative change - not quite happy with going to CR, but fear must go back through LC -- added @media and @order so probably need to recycle 13:54:17 <oedipus> RM: correct 13:54:38 <oedipus> SP: don't think can get away with CR, have to take to Last Call again because of normative changes 13:55:09 <oedipus> proposed RESOLVED: cycle Access Module back through Last Call 13:55:31 <oedipus> RESOLVED: cycle Access Module back through Last Call 13:55:40 <oedipus> SM: timing? 13:55:46 <oedipus> RM: short document - short LC 13:55:51 <oedipus> SP: official minimum is 3 weeks 13:56:11 <oedipus> SP: HCG call this friday at which will mention - can ask if any objections to 3 or 4 week LC period 13:56:26 <oedipus> SM: target 31 may 2009 as END of review period 13:56:43 <oedipus> RESOLVED: XHTML2 WG will target 29 May 2009 as end of review period 13:57:02 <oedipus> SP: need to update action item to request LC 13:57:34 <oedipus> i/SP: out of our hands/ScribeNick+ oedipus 13:58:11 <oedipus> rrsagent, make minutes 13:58:11 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/04/22-xhtml-minutes.html oedipus 13:58:31 <oedipus> rrsagent, make logs world 14:00:29 <oedipus> http://esw.w3.org/topic/PF/XTech/HTML5/UAI-TF 14:00:44 <Steven> scribe: Steven 14:01:08 <Steven> Subtopic: WAI-ARIA last call comments 14:01:47 <Steven> Steven: As I understand it, the ball is in WAI's court, to provide new wording, and run it past the affected people 14:02:11 <Steven> Gregory: There is some worry about ARIA being delayed 14:04:22 <Steven> ... I am also missing a role="form" 14:06:28 <Steven> Roland: Let's discuss this at length tomorrow 14:06:38 <oedipus> ACTION: Gregory - prepare wiki page with background to ARIA's role dependency question 14:06:38 <trackbot> Created ACTION-75 - - prepare wiki page with background to ARIA's role dependency question [on Gregory Rosmaita - due 2009-04-29]. 14:06:39 <Steven> Topic: Actions 14:07:02 <oedipus> f2f agenda request - D for dialog: http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/xhtml2/wiki/ProposedElements/D 14:07:02 <oedipus> D for dialog issue - "a single letter element to mark dialog (block and inline) should be added to XHTML2": http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/tracker/issues/3 14:07:03 <Steven> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/tracker/actions/open 14:07:36 <Tina> I'd suggest 'dialogue' instead of 'd' 14:08:00 <oedipus> tina, dialogue is problematic because of dialog - a different concept entirely 14:08:33 <oedipus> tina, HTML5's mistake is to use dialog as the element name - it is wrong, plus D will be used A LOT on pages (short stories, etc.) so a terse element name is best 14:08:59 <Tina> 'd' is problematic 'cause it's a single letter. Being terse isn't a good idea in a language designed for both automatic and manual production. 14:09:01 <Steven> Close ACTION-67 14:09:01 <trackbot> ACTION-67 - talk to Richard to ask if someone from ITS can join an XHTML2 call to discuss this further closed 14:10:57 <Steven> Roland: We can do 71 tomorrow 14:11:07 <Steven> Gregory: I can see if Janina can join us tomorrow 14:11:37 <Steven> Roland: 73? 14:11:55 <Steven> Shane: Not done yet 14:12:01 <Steven> ... actually really hard 14:13:08 <ShaneM> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2009Apr/0002.html 14:13:31 <Steven> close action-74 14:13:31 <trackbot> ACTION-74 Reply to message 0002 closed 14:13:51 <Steven> Roland: 75? 14:14:20 <Steven> Shane: Just created! 14:14:25 <Steven> [laughter] 14:15:06 <Steven> Topic: VFtF Agenda 14:15:15 <Steven> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/xhtml2/wiki/2009-04-FtF-Agenda#2009-04-23 14:15:34 <oedipus> tina, the complaint is two-fold: HTML5 is considering an element akin to ARIA's "dialogbox" which would be "dialog" which has a specific programmatic meeting (computing term) whereas all of the english-language reference works explicitly state that "dialogue" is the proper term, but it is a homonym with "dialog" which is a different concept, so to keep ambiguity to a minimum, i have proposed D 14:15:40 <Steven> Roland: What do we need to talk about for new draft of XHTML2? 14:15:49 <oedipus> f2f agenda request - D for dialog: http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/xhtml2/wiki/ProposedElements/D 14:16:44 <Steven> Markus: Expressing subsets in modularization 14:17:48 <Steven> Steven: Isn't that M12N v2 rather than XHTML2? 14:18:12 <Steven> Shane: All our work is public now 14:18:41 <Steven> ... so I don't understand why we need editor's drafts and WDs 14:19:26 <Steven> Steven: A WD is more visible, and an announcement gets made when we produce a WD 14:19:54 <Steven> Roland: :And the 'Previous version' links only link WDs 14:19:58 <Steven> s/;/ 14:20:10 <Steven> Markus: XForms integration is the largest undone work 14:20:15 <Steven> Shane: And ITS 14:20:21 <Steven> ... and XML Events 2, which is related 14:20:42 <ShaneM> zakim, who is noisy? 14:20:42 <Zakim> I am sorry, ShaneM; I don't have the necessary resources to track talkers right now 14:21:34 <Steven> Shane: Also finishing Relax NG and Schema implementations, which are dependent on those issues above 14:21:52 <Steven> ... though we could mark them as Work in Progress 14:22:03 <Steven> ... and publish tomorrow 14:22:28 <Steven> Shane: I do have a marked up version of the last ED with many editorial changes which still need to be made 14:22:38 <Steven> ... another editorial eye would be good 14:22:57 <Steven> Roland: How about sharing that work out? 14:23:09 <Steven> Shane: Each section had a champion in the past 14:23:23 <Steven> ... but we don't have that at present 14:23:58 <Steven> Roland: It helps that we now include stiff by reference 14:24:07 <Steven> s/stiff/stuff 14:24:19 <Steven> Shane: Suggest a date Roland! 14:24:23 <Steven> Roland: In May 14:24:34 <Steven> ... let's discuss this tomorrow 14:25:31 <Steven> ... I have updated the wiki 14:26:27 <alessio> zakim, mute me 14:26:27 <Zakim> Alessio should now be muted 14:27:15 <alessio> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/xhtml2/wiki/2009-04-FtF-Agenda#2009-04-23 14:27:46 <Steven> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2009Apr/0041.html 14:28:05 <Steven> Steven: Can we just prepare now for the ITS discussion? 14:28:43 <Steven> Roland: Let us prep before 14utc, ready for the actual discussion at 14utc 14:28:48 <Steven> Steven: Excellent 14:28:57 <alessio> ok 14:30:32 <Steven> Previous discussion - http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/xhtml2/meeting/2009-03-26#how_to_incorporate_ITS 14:32:15 <alessio> zakim, unmute me 14:32:15 <Zakim> Alessio should no longer be muted 14:32:28 <Zakim> -Markus 14:32:30 <Zakim> -Steven 14:32:33 <Zakim> -Gregory_Rosmaita 14:32:37 <Zakim> -Roland 14:32:38 <Zakim> -Alessio 14:32:38 <Zakim> -McCarron 14:32:40 <Zakim> IA_XHTML2()9:45AM has ended 14:32:41 <Zakim> Attendees were Roland, Markus, McCarron, Steven, Alessio, Gregory_Rosmaita 14:32:41 <Steven> [ADJOURN] 14:33:45 <Steven> rrsagent, make log public 14:33:56 <alessio> bye! # SPECIAL MARKER FOR CHATSYNC. 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