- From: Ian Jacobs <ij@w3.org>
- Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 14:08:06 -0500
- To: "T.V Raman" <raman@google.com>
- Cc: michael.hausenblas@deri.org, site-comments@w3.org, chairs@w3.org, w3c-ac-forum@w3.org
On 14 Oct 2009, at 2:00 PM, T.V Raman wrote: > > The reson to put the RDF-level metadata into W3CSite documents is > not for you to use it --- it is for others to build off the > semantics you publish. If we publish the RDF directly (which we do), does that not accomplish the same goal? Here's the RDF: http://www.w3.org/2002/01/tr-automation/tr.rdf http://www.w3.org/2000/04/mem-news/public-groups.rdf There's more for the talks, and so on. > > Basically I believe this is in fact the true challenge of the > Open Semantic Web ever happening -- everyone understands the > value of metadata when it compes to processing and publishing > information they possess; the jury is still out on as to whether > semantics when available will be published alongisde the content > for consumers to leverage. > > The current failure to do this on the W3C site --- laudible > though your reasons might be --- definitely casts a vote on the > above question. I'm sorry you conclude that because we didn't use every available technology at once, we have failed to show the utility of the ones we do use. _ Ian > > Ian Jacobs writes: >> On 14 Oct 2009, at 1:21 PM, T.V Raman wrote: >> >>> >>> somewhat misses the point of the original poster, who was >>> pointing at the years of effort in bringing RDF-level metadata >>> integration into Web pages. >>> >>> I have no doubt that W3C uses RDF internally, or that a lot of >>> such content is written first in N3;) --- what this site could >>> validate --- or repudiate (for that matter) is the feasability of >>> expecting site owners to easily make available the metadata they >>> have about their content within the content of Web pages. >> >> We _could_ have done that, but we already had the data available as >> RDF. >> >> The good thing about the Semantic Web stack is that there are >> different tools to meet different needs. >> You can put data in documents (RDFa, GRDDL)), create data stories >> (RDF), create databases accessible through queries (SPARQL). >> >> We saw no value at this time to port some our existing RDF data into >> documents only to extract it again in order to use it. >> >> _ Ian >> >> >>> Ian Jacobs writes: >>>> On 14 Oct 2009, at 2:50 AM, Michael Hausenblas wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Ian, >>>>> >>>>> Indeed, very nice job re design and usability. However, I think we >>>>> should >>>>> also take into account what our 'customers' think [1], [2]: >>>>> >>>>> "so, are #semanticweb standards too complicated when even the new >>>>> #w3c site >>>>> doesn't use them? #stopsnakeoil" >>>> >>>> Hi Michael, >>>> >>>> We use RDF all over the place internally to manage the site. The >>>> RDF >>>> that we use >>>> is public: >>>> >>>> Group data: >>>> http://www.w3.org/2000/04/mem-news/public-groups.rdf >>>> >>>> Technical reports data: >>>> http://www.w3.org/2002/01/tr-automation/tr.rdf >>>> >>>> And there's lots more, such as the Talks data. >>>> >>>> We don't use RDFa where we have RDF source data. >>>> >>>> Of course we could do more (e.g., a sparql endpoint for TR >>>> searches), >>>> and we are likely >>>> to do more. >>>> >>>> Ian >>>> >>>>> >>>>> "@iand apparently all of them: No (obvious) RDF export, no SPARQL >>>>> API. Just >>>>> some (broken!) hCalendar items." >>>>> >>>>> This is indeed a poor message we send out - why don't we eat our >>>>> own >>>>> dogfood? We have a couple of nice standards (RDFa, GRDDL, etc.) in >>>>> this area >>>>> and should well be able to demonstrate that we are able to use >>>>> them, >>>>> IMHO. >>>>> >>>>> Sorry for spoiling the party, but given the broad uptake of >>>>> semantic >>>>> technologies in the governmental area (US, UK), the eCommerce >>>>> domain >>>>> (GoodRelations), linked data stuff and Google and Yahoo! >>>>> processing >>>>> structured data, I can't seriously explain to my colleagues or >>>>> other >>>>> W3C >>>>> customers why we don't have structured data (preferably in RDF) >>>>> available at >>>>> the new W3C site. >>>>> >>>>> Thoughts, anyone? >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> Michael >>>>> >>>>> [1] http://twitter.com/bengee/status/4856670048 >>>>> [2] http://twitter.com/bengee/status/4856830531 >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Dr. Michael Hausenblas >>>>> LiDRC - Linked Data Research Centre >>>>> DERI - Digital Enterprise Research Institute >>>>> NUIG - National University of Ireland, Galway >>>>> Ireland, Europe >>>>> Tel. +353 91 495730 >>>>> http://linkeddata.deri.ie/ >>>>> http://sw-app.org/about.html >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> From: Ian Jacobs <ij@w3.org> >>>>>> Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 17:07:47 -0500 >>>>>> To: W3C Members <w3c-ac-members@w3.org> >>>>>> Cc: <chairs@w3.org> >>>>>> Subject: New W3C Web Site Launched >>>>>> Resent-From: <chairs@w3.org> >>>>>> Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 22:07:53 +0000 >>>>>> >>>>>> Dear Advisory Committee Representatives and Chairs, >>>>>> >>>>>> Today W3C launched its new Web site: >>>>>> http://www.w3.org/ >>>>>> >>>>>> We also launched the new Member site: >>>>>> http://www.w3.org/Member/ >>>>>> >>>>>> I hope that you will find the new sites more usable. You will >>>>>> notice >>>>>> that some pages are missing content; we plan to continue to add >>>>>> content over time and invite your contributions (especially from >>>>>> Working Groups). >>>>>> >>>>>> I expect that over the next few days we will be fixing bugs in >>>>>> style >>>>>> sheets, and so forth. Feel free to send comments to site- >>>>>> comments@w3.org. >>>>>> >>>>>> Thank you, >>>>>> >>>>>> Ian Jacobs, Head of W3C Communications >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Ian Jacobs (ij@w3.org) http://www.w3.org/People/Jacobs/ >>>>>> Tel: +1 718 260 9447 >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Ian Jacobs (ij@w3.org) http://www.w3.org/People/Jacobs/ >>>> Tel: +1 718 260 9447 >>>> >>>> >>> >> >> -- >> Ian Jacobs (ij@w3.org) http://www.w3.org/People/Jacobs/ >> Tel: +1 718 260 9447 > -- Ian Jacobs (ij@w3.org) http://www.w3.org/People/Jacobs/ Tel: +1 718 260 9447
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