W3C

– DRAFT –
ARIA WG

21 April 2022

Attendees

Present
chlane, jamesn, Jem, MarkMcCarthy, myasonik, sarah, spectranaut
Regrets
Matt_King
Chair
JamesNurthen
Scribe
chlane

Meeting minutes

New Issue Triage

https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/1726

jcraig to look into it

per jamesn

no idea for milestone yet

https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/1725

already a pr

Siri:

this was discussed, if matt is here discuss during deep dive?

whether combobox select only , list box may or may not need aria label

apg says if listbox is part of comobobox, no label needed

conflict in documentation

jamesn: jogund has done a pr

separate deep dive?

listboxes donte need a11y name?

if in combobox

milestone 1.3

#113

<spectranaut> https://github.com/w3c/core-aam/issues/113

jamesn: valerie discuss later?

yes

https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/1724

jamesn: yes it doesn't match non normative section needs update

about disambiguation

preferred syntax for those kind of elememts

assinged to jscriag

1723

https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/1723

jamesn: 1.4

we need to look at mathml

Joan has done some mathml in the past, adding Siri too

https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/1722

1722

https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/1722

jamesn: should be filed against browsers?

spec change here?

New PR Triage

https://github.com/w3c/aria/pull/1727

https://github.com/w3c/accname/pull/157

jamesn: it is reasonable

doen'st work with label, Bryan agrees

jamesn: will review

and Siri

will review

https://github.com/w3c/html-aam/pull/396

update / expand input value mappings

jamesn: it's an html aam thing

sarah: related to combobox work

jamesn: almost a prereque

sarah: will take a look

jamesn: aaron may not have time

jamesn: james assigned as well

Deep Dive planning - Next week OpenUI, week after <Dialog>

Open UI, help and guide them

not an in depth look

more like these are the things we are working on

weve lost touch

more engagement needed

we could help them get a11y implementation

jamesn: working on formal agenda

diaogs will be first week of may

may 19?

GAAD is on that date

may have conflicting events

Bryan G is unavailable

we may want to attend other events

jamesn: proposes cancelling

no objections

1.2 Status

spectranaut: 3 items from 1.2 are unfinished

aria value now on spinbutton requires core AAM changes that are not cleared

it is "at risk"

jamesn: we can drop it

spectranaut: go to spec or I can just talk

spectranaut: aria-valuenow is mapped to a range value that doesn't have a concept of no value in ATK and UIA

what do we do in those cases?

who do we who to reach out to

aaronlev: ATK would not support the value interface

spectranaut: joanies suggestion is to add state indeterminate

jamesn: what does input type=number when there is no value

sarah: not sure, need to check spec html

jamesn: jamesn: does it have to have a value in html?

aaronlev: I think it might have to have it

sarah: we will check or they will

jamesn: we should just do whatever that does

(referring in input type=number)

has zero in IAA

jamesn: should never have put that in in the first place

sarah: makes sense for arrow keys to work

no idea why not shown visually

jamesn: seems like a bug

but not aria

sarah: min max should not default to 0

sarah: it doesn't make sense to not have a value

jamesn: yep

jamesn: rendering with nothing there makes no sense

spectranaut: seems like there are questions

jamesn: timeline is longer then we want to have

jamesn: pulls this out

any objections?

call for concensus needed

may be beeded

jamesn: no default valuenow for spin button, no implementations of it

jamesn: it seems like it could change

jamesn: will discuss procedure to pull out

spectranaut: 2 other things missing implementations

do we push for implementations

jamesn: Gecko exposes everything already

thats what they do

aaronlev: linux and blink are 2 diff implementations

jamesn: that one is ok

role desc on generic -

<jamesn> https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=174248

aaronlev: if there is no patch

cant' make next public seed

jamesn: double checking

items at risk

it is there

jamesn: don't want to pull it out but it seems reasonable

just removing it from prohibited states and properties

jamesn: is there anywhere else where it is prohibited

would be wierd

aaronlev: generic already implemented in chromium?

yes implemented on chrome

aaronlev: earliest is late summer not a high priority for webkit

if getting into webkit source, might happen

from now to fall it is ramped down to only critical bugs

this is not critical

jamesn: will anyone object to text for role description

jcraig: put in the note to plan to prohibit it

spectranaut: seems reasonable

jamesn: have to ship it

spectranaut: suggest a note to add

jamesn: a way to prohibit for authors

jamesn: have to talk to micheal

spectranaut: ok we have a way forward

Update authoring requirement for aria-selected on options - reviews needed from @chlane @mcking65

jamesn: done

Support aria-description

jamesn: outstanding comments still

When is hidden content taken into calculation of name and description? - reviews needed from @cookiecrook @cyns @jnurthen -> @MelSumner

jamesn: hidden content, waiting for reviews, it has been merged

still would like jcraig to review

jamesn: it is critical for jcraig to review

can't have it in the spec if not passing jcraigs review

pr 150

aaronlev: ping if needed

1.3 Triage

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