IRC log of aria on 2022-04-21

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please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), jamesn
16:46:03 [jamesn]
meeting: ARIA WG
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chair: JamesNurthen
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agendabot, find agenda
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jamesn, OK. This may take a minute...
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agenda: https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/2b92a902-1365-4ea0-8c68-9f8ae2106fe3/20220421T130000
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clear agenda
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agenda+ -> New Issue Triage https://bit.ly/3OmbN9e
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agenda+ -> New PR Triage https://bit.ly/3OpLsY0
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agenda+ -> Deep Dive planning https://bit.ly/aria-meaty-topic-candidates - Next week OpenUI, week after <Dialog>
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agenda+ -> 1.2 Status https://github.com/orgs/w3c/projects/8/views/1?layout=board
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agenda+ -> Update authoring requirement for aria-selected on options https://github.com/w3c/aria/pull/1719 - reviews needed from -> @chlane https://github.com/chlane -> @mcking65 https://github.com/mcking65
16:46:31 [agendabot]
agenda+ -> Support aria-description https://github.com/w3c/accname/pull/69
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agenda+ -> When is hidden content taken into calculation of name and description? https://github.com/w3c/accname/pull/150 - reviews needed from -> @cookiecrook https://github.com/cookiecrook -> @cyns https://github.com/cyns -> @jnurthen https://github.com/jnurthen -> @MelSumner
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… https://github.com/MelSumner
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agenda+ -> 1.3 Triage https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues?q=is%3Aopen+is%3Aissue+milestone%3A%22ARIA+1.3%22+no%3Aproject+sort%3Acreated-asc
16:53:17 [jamesn]
agenda?
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present+
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present +
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present+
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regrets+
17:07:30 [jamesn]
present+
17:07:37 [chlane]
scribe:chlane
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present+
17:08:01 [spectranaut]
present+
17:08:03 [chlane]
Zakim, next agendum
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agendum 1 -- -> New Issue Triage https://bit.ly/3OmbN9e -- taken up [from agendabot]
17:08:51 [chlane]
#1726
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jcraig to look into it
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per jamesn
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no idea for milestone yet
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#1725
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already a pr
17:10:21 [chlane]
Siri:
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this was discussed, if matt is here discuss during deep dive?
17:11:01 [chlane]
whether combobox select only , list box may or may not need aria label
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apg says if listbox is part of comobobox, no label needed
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conflict in documentation
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jcraig: jogund has done a pr
17:11:48 [chlane]
correcton jamesn said last line
17:12:04 [chlane]
separate deep dive?
17:12:11 [MarkMcCarthy]
s/jcraig: jogund has done a pr/jamesn: jogund has done a pr
17:12:11 [chlane]
listboxes donte need a11y name?
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if in combobox
17:12:18 [MarkMcCarthy]
s/correcton jamesn said last line/
17:12:31 [chlane]
milestone 1.3
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#113
17:12:42 [spectranaut]
https://github.com/w3c/core-aam/issues/113
17:12:56 [chlane]
jamesn: valerie discuss later?
17:13:00 [chlane]
yes
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1724
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jamesn: yes it doesn't match non normative section needs update
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about disambiguation
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preferred syntax for those kind of elememts
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assinged to jscriag
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1723
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https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/1723
17:15:30 [chlane]
jamesn: 1.4
17:15:43 [chlane]
we need to look at mathml
17:16:06 [MarkMcCarthy]
s/#1726/https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/1726
17:16:07 [chlane]
Joan has done some mathml in the past, adding Siri too
17:16:14 [MarkMcCarthy]
s/#1725/https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/1725
17:16:34 [MarkMcCarthy]
s/1724/https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/1724
17:16:46 [chlane]
https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/1722
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1722
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https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/1722
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jamesn: should be filed against browsers?
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spec change here?
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Zakim, next agendum
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agendum 2 -- -> New PR Triage https://bit.ly/3OpLsY0 -- taken up [from agendabot]
17:18:57 [chlane]
https://github.com/w3c/aria/pull/1727
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https://github.com/w3c/accname/pull/157
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jamesn: it is reasonable
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doen'st work with label, Bryan agrees
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jamesn: will review
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and Siri
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will review
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https://github.com/w3c/html-aam/pull/396
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update / expand input value mappings
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jamesn: it's an html aam thing
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sarah: related to combobox work
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jamesn: almost a prereque
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sarah: will take a look
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jamesn: aaron may not have time
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jamesn: james assigned as well
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Zakim, next agendum
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agendum 3 -- -> Deep Dive planning https://bit.ly/aria-meaty-topic-candidates - Next week OpenUI, week after <Dialog> -- taken up [from agendabot]
17:23:38 [chlane]
Open UI, help and guide them
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not an in depth look
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more like these are the things we are working on
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weve lost touch
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more engagement needed
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we could help them get a11y implementation
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jamesn: working on formal agenda
17:24:43 [chlane]
diaogs will be first week of may
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may 19?
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GAAD is on that date
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may have conflicting events
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Bryan G is unavailable
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we may want to attend other events
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jamesn: proposes cancelling
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no objections
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Zakim, next agendum
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agendum 4 -- -> 1.2 Status https://github.com/orgs/w3c/projects/8/views/1?layout=board -- taken up [from agendabot]
17:27:15 [chlane]
spectranaut:3 items from 1.2 are unfinished
17:27:33 [chlane]
aria value now on spinbutton requires core AAM changes that are not cleared
17:27:39 [chlane]
it is "at risk"
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jamesn: we can drop it
17:28:28 [chlane]
spectranaut: go to spec or I can just talk
17:28:54 [chlane]
spectranaut: aria-valuenow is mapped to a range value that doesn't have a concept of no value in ATK and UIA
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what do we do in those cases?
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who do we who to reach out to
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aaronlev: ATK would not support the value interface
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spectranaut: joanies suggestion is to add state intderminant
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jamesn: what does input type=number when there is no value
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sarah: not sure, need to check spec html
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jamesn: jamesn: does it have to have a value in html?
17:30:38 [chlane]
aaronlev: I think it might have to have it
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sarah: we will check or they will
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jamesn: we should just do whatever that does
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(referring in input type=number)
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has zero in IAA
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jamesn: should never have put that in in the first place
17:32:03 [chlane]
sarah: makes sense for arrow keys to work
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no idea why not shown visually
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jamesn: seems like a bug
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but not aria
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sarah: min max should not default to 0
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sarah: it doesn't make sense to not have a value
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jamesn: yep
17:33:14 [MarkMcCarthy]
s/intderminant/indeterminate
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jamesn:rendering with nothing there makes no sense
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present+
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spectranaut: seems like there are questions
17:34:44 [Jem]
agenda?
17:34:55 [chlane]
jamesn: timeline is longer then we want to have
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jamesn: pulls this out
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any objections?
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call for concensus needed
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may ne needed
17:35:50 [MarkMcCarthy]
s/ne/be
17:36:00 [chlane]
s/ne/be
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jamesn: no default valuenow for spin button, no implementations of it
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jamesn: it seems like it could change
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jamesn: will discuss procedure to pull out
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spectranaut: 2 other things missing implementations
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do we push for implementations
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jamesn: Gecko exposes everything already
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thats what they do
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aaronlev: linux and blink are 2 diff implementations
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jamesn: that one is ok
17:40:21 [chlane]
role desc on generic -
17:40:39 [jamesn]
https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=174248
17:41:33 [chlane]
aaronlev: if there is no patch
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cant' make next public seec
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s/seec/seed
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jamesn: double checking
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items at risk
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it is there
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jamesn: don't want to pull it out but it seems reasonable
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just removing it from prohibited states and properties
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jamesn: is there anywhere else where it is prohibited
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would be wierd
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aaronlev: generic already implemented in chromium?
17:44:46 [chlane]
yes implemented on chrome
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aaronlev: earliest is late summer not a high priority for webkit
17:46:18 [chlane]
if getting into webkit source, might happen
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from now to fall it is ramped down to only critical bugs
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this is not critical
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jamesn: will anyone object to text for role description
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aaronlev: put in the note to plan to prohibit it
17:47:52 [chlane]
spectranaut: seems reasonable
17:48:00 [chlane]
jamesn: have to ship it
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s/aaronlev/jcraig/
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spectranaut: suggest a note to add
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jamesn: a way to prohibit for authors
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jamesn: have to talk to micheal
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spectranaut: ok we have a way forward
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Zakim, next agendum
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agendum 5 -- -> Update authoring requirement for aria-selected on options https://github.com/w3c/aria/pull/1719 - reviews needed from -> @chlane https://github.com/chlane ->
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... @mcking65 https://github.com/mcking65 -- taken up [from agendabot]
17:51:30 [chlane]
jamesn: done
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Zakim, next agendum
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agendum 6 -- -> Support aria-description https://github.com/w3c/accname/pull/69 -- taken up [from agendabot]
17:52:28 [chlane]
jamesn: outstanding comments still
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Zakim, next agendum
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agendum 6 was just opened, chlane
17:53:05 [MarkMcCarthy]
zakim, close this item
17:53:05 [Zakim]
agendum 6 closed
17:53:06 [Zakim]
I see 2 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
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7. -> When is hidden content taken into calculation of name and description? https://github.com/w3c/accname/pull/150 - reviews needed from -> @cookiecrook
17:53:06 [Zakim]
... https://github.com/cookiecrook -> @cyns https://github.com/cyns -> @jnurthen https://github.com/jnurthen -> @MelSumner [from agendabot]
17:53:09 [MarkMcCarthy]
zakim, take up item 7
17:53:09 [Zakim]
agendum 7 -- -> When is hidden content taken into calculation of name and description? https://github.com/w3c/accname/pull/150 - reviews needed from -> @cookiecrook
17:53:10 [chlane]
Zakim, next agendum
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... https://github.com/cookiecrook -> @cyns https://github.com/cyns -> @jnurthen https://github.com/jnurthen -> @MelSumner -- taken up [from agendabot]
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agendum 7 was just opened, chlane
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jamesn: hidden content, waiting for reviews, it has been merged
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still would like jcraig to review
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jamesn: it is critical for jcraig to review
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can't have it in the spec if not passing jcraigs review
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pr 150
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aaronlev: ping if needed
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Zakim, next agendum
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agendum 8 -- -> 1.3 Triage https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues?q=is%3Aopen+is%3Aissue+milestone%3A%22ARIA+1.3%22+no%3Aproject+sort%3Acreated-asc -- taken up [from agendabot]
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rrsagent, make minutes
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