<janina> It's me. My speaker is a different device than my microphone--because of a session on the Bach St. Matthew Passion yesterday. No fixing it ...
<ToddL> scribe: ToddL
<Lauriat> https://github.com/w3c/silver/issues/451
<jeanne> https://github.com/w3c/silver/issues/451
jeanne: Ended with resolution on Issue 451
<jeanne> https://www.w3.org/2022/04/01-silver-minutes.html#t03 <- Discussion from last week'
<jeanne> We have received similar requests for an automated test level. There are some complex issues associated with this, including the challenges of reducing the accessibility at that level. We intend to make WCAG3 testing more granular to support automated testing. We are going to address this issue when we have a more detailed conversation on Conformance.
jeanne: reading text that will go into proposed response.
<jeanne> Proposed RESOLUTION: Accept the response to Issue 451 above
<Wilco> +1
<sarahhorton> +1
<Lauriat> +1
<Makoto> +1
+1
<jeanne> +1
RESOLUTION: Accept the response to Issue 451 above
<maryjom> Sorry, had to step away for a moment - late +1
<Makoto> I was not at the call as well.
<jeanne> https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1sGLpBwAAsZfhANpWO3jo0zMOdwDtckhjSmsYpisQfFU/edit#slide=id.p
jeanne: Going over Tuesday call for AGWG exercise for Lauriat and Makoto
Rachael: Not just quality but things like tone of voice are included. This is a little bit of a gap fill (example 2, slide 6)
<jeanne> Template https://docs.google.com/document/d/1MGGgqgeL779aJu7iNuXQMHgJygV7l6GouM7--5ABJ5U/edit#heading=h.vx20z4iqr83a
jeanne: Going over template for the WCAG 2.x guideline breakdown
I need to ask for a scribe change at this point, please.
<jeanne> https://www.w3.org/WAI/WCAG21/quickref/
<Wilco> scribe: Wilco
<ToddL> Thank you, Wilco.
<Rachael> +1 to working on the first one together
Jeanne: Last week AGWG put
everyone in breakout rooms. This is a fairly small group, I
wonder if we should break up or work together?
... I think there's value in working on one together
... Let's pick one.
<jeanne> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1tXIaJxQCyuOTkvLcJR5QgTN13h6dIgtUlE7H9CUCvew/edit#gid=0
<Rachael> https://www.notion.so/nomensa/633121a1bcc94120833db2df302d8794?v=818fb138d19f42648d6d784ca90de239
Jeanne: If you scroll down the
list, anyone that hasn't already been done?
... Want to tackle 1.3.1?
Rachael: I think it has been
done
... Everything from 1.2.3 through 1.2.9 hasn't been done.
<sarahhorton_> Use of color!
Shawn: I think that's also a good
one
... Focus more on process
Rachael: So 1.4.1 use of color
<Lauriat> 1.4.1 Use of Color <- https://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG21/#use-of-color
<jeanne> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1BHAwv1ZXbjedQinGopoOpgGgdiuBMFOfVeo6ujXH788/edit
Jeanne: So what are the functional needs for use of color?
<jeanne> Functional Needs doc https://docs.google.com/document/d/16ZeCqTRTY0lmWvp1Xv_wO0iH1OzyECBa1UXQ_UeocjQ/edit#heading=h.4jiwp8jpc143
Jeanne: Use without color and use
with limited color perception
... Any disagreements or additions?
Shawn: Potentially use without
vision?
... Something only conveyed through color and not through
semantics.
Jeanne: Next, user needs
... Probably under Users can perceive content
Suzanne: Sarah suggested use with limited vision
Jeanne: In perceive, they can perceive content
Shawn: I think operable. If the keyboard focus or state is indicated only through color. It's understandable and operable
Jeanne: Any specific examples?
Sarah: I wonder if we're missing
functional needs in respect to cognitive.
... In terms of controls and functionality.
... If it's only a red outline on an input field for example,
the understandability of the interface might be effected.
... I wonder if we want to add a functional need for cognitive.
Not sure which subgroup that falls under
... Learning or memory perhaps?
Shawn: Memory is a good one, some chart with color keys at the top, having to go back to which color means what
Jeanne: This is an overview to classify success criteria. It's not the deep user analysis.
Shawn: Lets move onto units
Jeanne: I don't think it's aggregate or user process, but it could be view
Wilco: I think it's component or view usually
Sarah: It could also be process, multi-step indicator
Shawn: I think you can determine if it's happening in a few, but can't score the severity of it without applying the process
Jeanne: Any arguments for the aggregate?
Shawn: Maybe scoring at the aggregate, not a test
Jeanne: Then test types. Is this ever objective?
Sarah: Can we test for the presence of color. That's the only objective thing if there is color or not
Shawn: We can also test the
perceivability of the difference in color.
... It's something on how to rate the use of color
Sarah: All you can really do is
test whether there is color. That seems hard to test
objectively.
... It seems like there are certain uses of color that are
objectively testable. But there are a whole lot that are
conditional.
<Zakim> Makoto, you wanted to ask clarification about test types
Makoto: Objective means
automatically testable? By an automated tool?
... Condition, not automatically testable but manually. Experts
can determine if it passes or not.
... Could you clarify what test case means?
<Zakim> Rachael, you wanted to answer
Rachael: Test case is something
that we can't consistency define. The result would not be
consistent world wide.
... Anything language dependant for example. Simple voice in
English and in another language are different.
... A test case is something we can't dictate
universally.
... We might say an organisation has to state what reading
level they're trying to achieve and then test against it.
... But we would not say everything must have some reading
level.
Shawn: An example for this
particular guideline. Use of color without underline to
indicate a link.
... Checking to make sure something is semantically a link,
it's essentially following the design system of the web.
... But if someone has their own design system that indicates
focus by shifting the color, but also by showing a tool tip. It
uses color, but also a component.
... It's not something standard on the web but something they
could test for their organization.
<Zakim> Lauriat, you wanted to offer an example test case for this SC
Jeanne: I'd like to invite anyone
who participated in this to pick up other success
criteria.
... If we can get the spreadsheet updated so everything worked
on is reflected in the sheet. We need to do them all.
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