Meeting minutes
chlane present+
New Issue Triage
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jamesn: agrees that a text child should label a descendant
jamesn: scotts recommends native behavior
they are coming up with a new select menu
authors need to add group labels
jamesn: should we not wait on outcome of those discussions
scott, open UI, do whatever, may ship without A11y
need more involvement or issues from scott
jamesn: need to talk with them, we should get a formal mechanism
jamesn: should not happen hap hazardly
jamesn: assinging to himself and 1.4
label as openUI
siri_: not understanding? why use role = group in listbox?
jamesn: not allowed on this usage, would need spec change
siri_: scott this is a reduced test case
jamesn: like the <optgroup>
scott we need to solve for groups of options
siri_: cannot use headings
roberto: any behavior examples?
jamesn: visible label needs aria-hidden
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New PR Triage
all editorial not worry about them
Deep Dive planning
potential testing meeting
Bryan accname?
dissent between implementers?
bryan, further discussion was necessary
aaronlev: webkit didn't have aria description
aaronlev: macos 11 ax custom content
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before that it will be ax custom hint
jamesn: james c requested changes, none blocking
bryan will go through it with melanie
jamesn: review comments unresolved
jamesn: 8 comments from james c with no responses, some editorial
no meeting next week
Reminder - rejoin Group due to new charter
1.3 Blocking issues
1159 no updates
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#1177 no update from Matt
Initial aria-textseparation (depends on generic PR being merged)
defer 996
Consider collapsing Base Concept category into Related Concepts
scott no update assigned it to himself
we are good on this one
Inconsistency between native and ARIA listboxes when implicit aria-selected is provided
needs reviews
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scott will review
Should ARIA provide better support for routing in single-page applications?
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scotts testing of WICG
app-history
with a screen reader
things were read out
no ARIA work
browser implementers should look at it
Matt, we look at a proposed change in a different spec
scotto: this could add announcements for routing
jamesn: it would allow a SPA to pretend it is reloading
transparent to the users
scotto: all the stuff we have to fake
Matt should ARIA provide a way for page authors to give guidance to screen reader to ovveride default experience?
commn problem
should we assist with ARIA
cyns_: volunteers to work on this
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jamesn: is this mandated? would an author have to change the way they use the app history api?
scotto: this is allowing authors to do more
scotto: reference to user report within the last year that incorporates what people are doing manually
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research by fable labs
scotto: to be clear, the whole point, the wcig proposal is linking this issue, a11y community should look into it
cyns_: volunteers, spoke with dominic
jamesc html proposal 5562 changing window.history
no new a11y API needed
scotto: it would be sufficient, ideally
could be an extention that ARIA picks up
could be brought back to ARI
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jamesc assistive tech fallout could occur
may be that we don't want to do that if the web author changes focus then fires this or vice versa does that matter
bryan asking about tabs implementation using window.pushstate
to track active tab
focus doesn't change
jamesc the proposal wont break that use case
aaronlev: related to chrome issue
ff had back and forth still in memory just shows up no normal page load mechanism
the back/forward cache is turned off
matt related to windows tabs?
screen readerr is still reading previous tab until he hits escape
aaronlev: they did see that
Matt_King: in those cases, no focus change event & api nothing gets fired?
aaronlev: it is relevant to api
screen reader treats it like a psuedo page load
cyns_: add these questions to issue
jamesn: TPAC
A
10 plus in person
dates Sept sometime
9/12 - 9/16
jamesn: no announcements sent out
jamesn: chairs getting interest