<LisaSeemanKest_> agenda
<LisaSeemanKest_> agenda
<Jennie> scribe: Jennie
<LisaSeemanKest_> scribe: Jennie
Lisa: The most urgent bits are
starting the CFC process in the next week.
... Once we have done what is necessary for that, we can slow
down.
Lisa: Roy - thank you, has put in
a lot of working taking the information from the Google Docs
and added those in
... We are working on the last checks and issues
... We still have left some consistency checks, like pattern
names - did we change it each time it appears?
... Installing icons in the main document is a bit of a
challenge
... If people can review over the weekend, and look for
editorial bits
... use this version
<LisaSeemanKest_> https://raw.githack.com/w3c/coga/consistency_checks/content-usable/index.html
Lisa: I will send it to the list
as well.
... We think all the editorial stuff will be done still.
... I think it is ready for review, bearing in mind what still
needs to be done.
Rachael: How would you like people to send changes and comments?
Lisa: I think emails to the
list
... If people want to copy it into a Word document, they
can
... If people want us to put it into a Google doc, we can
<Rachael> +1 to fresh sets of eyes
Lisa: If people have the chance to read it over might be good to print it
Rain: I am curious if pull requests right into the document would be useful as well or better to work outside of the document.
Lisa: I don't know if it will cause challenges - Roy?
Roy: I think it is ok to create a branch to make a pull request. After that, I would have to resolve the conflicts
<LisaSeemanKest_> https://raw.githack.com/w3c/coga/consistency_checks/content-usable/index.html
Lisa: A branch would have to be
off of the branch we are working on
... I don't think the conflicts will be bad
<stevelee> link to branch - https://github.com/w3c/coga/blob/consistency_checks/content-usable/design.html
Lisa: pattern names, user needs, icons - that is what we are doing now
<LisaSeemanKest_> https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/task-forces/coga/wiki/PlanningPage
Lisa: We have postponed the
images, which is fine
... Justine - we are looking at a full icon set
... We tried inserting the icons inline
Roy: Michael and I replied to
your email today
... I will look into the format for icons
Lisa: OK, great
... Justine - the plus and the tick are all in one gif, and
they need to be separate
Justine: That should be easy. I will make the request today.
<LisaSeemanKest_> https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/task-forces/coga/wiki/PlanningPage#
Lisa: Roy - you still have some
actions in the planning page
... I made a list of you - an additional list
<LisaSeemanKest_> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1l5xiuYG2IYBP7vgS5FSzOPJ1NtJdPRSckpY6tt3n9IE/edit#
Lisa: It is the icons, and a few other items where we need you to help
Roy: Links, glossary terms - are linked to other terms
Lisa: That means the link to the
W3C consistent
... We have the glossary section, but there is some things
where we want to use a word that is defined in the glossary
that it automatically inserts
Roy: Michael is working on those
tasks
... He tried to work with the W3C glossary. I will confirm with
Michael about this
... For the CFC - we got an objection
Lisa: We decided to have one sentence and each thing in the summary
Roy: ok
Lisa: User needs - a link to the
user needs design patterns, the design patterns section
... The link to the table, the scenario mappings, the user
testing
Roy: OK I will update that
Lisa: The next thing was to review the broken links
Roy: I will do this before publication - this is the last thing
Lisa: Thank you
... Another one is the TOC changes
<Rachael> With regards to hte appendix objection, we also added the following sentence to the introduction to address it "Mappings of objectives, user stories, patterns and personas are available in Appendix A. This provides a way to understand how to address the objective and why it is important. Some people may prefer to start with Appendix A."
<LisaSeemanKest_> We decided on Previous Steps (User Story) and Make Each Step Clear (Pattern) see https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-cognitive-a11y-tf/2021Feb/0106.html
Lisa: Roy - can you touch base
with Rachael?
... We have been in the IRC coga plan
... In the actions it also talks about hanging indents but I
think you have done that
Rachael: I think that was code Michael will give you to fix
Roy: I will check with Michael
Lisa: I think the user stories
for appendix A are done
... the others are done
... I will just add the table into the Google Doc
Roy: Ok
Lisa: Thank you Roy!
... When will you have time for this?
Roy: tomorrow my time, depending on how long they take to do
<Fazio> \yay
Lisa: Rachael, I think you are on
top of your actions I think
... proposed action items and changes further down the page
<LisaSeemanKest_> https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/task-forces/coga/wiki/PlanningPage
Lisa: This is where we ask people
to list issues they have
... A lot of them have been addressed
... Some were from Steve and we have agreed on what to do
... Some had no names
... If people put anything there - can you check to be sure we
have handled them?
... If you can get back to us as soon as possible, that would
be great.
<LisaSeemanKest_> next item
Lisa: We made a change to the
summary
... The summary was like a crib sheet for some people
<LisaSeemanKest_> https://raw.githack.com/w3c/coga/consistency_checks/content-usable/index.html#summary
Lisa: It was not completely in
line with the document
... It is now split into 2 items
... 1 we called them back in so it is more like the
document
... as a summary that makes more sense
... We pulled them together and left some sentences as
bold.
... we added "Use clear content (text, images and media)" so
the text is clearer
Rain: For that particular one, I
think it changes the meaning, at least what I understood
... The 1st time I read it as providing different ways to
represent content to help people understand
... The icon represents the content of 3
<Fazio> +1
Rain: With this edit, it is good and important, but it removes the sense of meaning of having alternate ways of understanding ocntent
Lisa: This was support ways to
understand content, which is part of objective 7
... We had make it easy to get human help there
... The issue was that it wasn't consistent with the
document
... We can put it back, if it helps
... We went through a whole story. We had them together,
separated them out, put them back together again
Rain: thank you for the
explanation - that makes perfect sense
... It might just be that the icon is no longer a good
representation
+1 (as Jennie_
Lisa: We had a grid that was a 3
by 3 squares
... That was for use clear content (but it had different
text)
<JustineP> If its helpful, this document has a history of the icons/iterations: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1aRoYev1aAIHhIq37Itt96ueBwLh5zXMUeJBYxL0MCkQ/edit
Lisa: We changed that bold bit
because we wanted it to map to the document for
consistency
... Do we like the new structure? It might not be the same
wording, but it is an easy read version
... Then make it easier to get human help and support different
ways to understand content under provide help and support
... This maps to the document
... Then people can see the correlation easier
... Are we happy with that structure?
<LisaSeemanKest_> stucture - are we happy
<LisaSeemanKest_> +1
<Fazio> +1
<Rain> +1
<JustineP> +1
+1
<Albert> 0
<Roy> +1
<Rachael> +1
<krisannekinney> +1
Lisa: The other question - the icon next to Use clear content
Steve: many are familiar with the Googe Suite waffle - 3 by 3 grid
<LisaSeemanKest_> https://docs.google.com/document/d/11MvYiuuCLb03tlg6aE_pXqE3WxA8M2eCcs75L5s9ZpI/edit
<Rain> I can volunteer to take up an action to try to come up with a new icon concept for this one
Lisa: I think it looks like a stamp
Justine shares the history: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1aRoYev1aAIHhIq37Itt96ueBwLh5zXMUeJBYxL0MCkQ/edit
<Rain> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1aRoYev1aAIHhIq37Itt96ueBwLh5zXMUeJBYxL0MCkQ/edit
<JustineP> Yes, that's it Rain thx
(group discusses the icons next to #3)
Lisa: put in which you like best:
the revised, the 1st draft, the original
... stamp is 1st draft, the original icon is 3 sets of 3
Rachael: I think we approved this - there is a note saying we approved the one with the 2 little dots
Lisa: OK
... Does anyone have a problem with the 2 dots version?
<Fazio> no pob
Lisa: Since this is approved, I
think we will move on
... I also need the memory one as well
<Rain> I will send those now
<Fazio> no prob
Lisa: We did this one on the
list, and got some responses
... Last week we discussed changing section 5
... We agreed to add some sentences to make EO a bit
happier
... I added a section name
(reads from link)
scribe: The other was changing
the heading for the introduction to this section
... And change the sentence "As a short overview, usability can
be measured > based on efficacy, efficiency and
satisfaction."
... to "One approach to usability is to measure efficacy,
efficiency and > satisfaction for key tasks."
... We have 3 yeses on the list. Any objections?
<LisaSeemanKest_> +1
<Rain> +1
<JustineP> +1
Lisa: You still have another day.
Please send an email if you have concerns
... We said we would replace "easy" with "achievable" - it does
slightly change the meaning
... I added "even for small groups on a low budget."
<Rachael> +1 to the changes.
<Fazio> +1
<LisaSeemanKest_> +1
<Rain> +1
0
<JustineP> +1 seems to address the concern that was expressed
<krisannekinney> +1
<Albert> 0
Lisa: If you have a better wording suggestion, please share to the list
Lisa: There was also an email on
small heading changes.
... We did get yeses
... One is that the summary used to say "Plain Language
Summary"
... We decided to use "Summary (Easy to Understand
Language)"
<LisaSeemanKest_> =1
<LisaSeemanKest_> +1
<Rain> +1
+1
<JustineP> +1
<krisannekinney> +1
Lisa: Any objections? and again,
you have until Friday
... The next heading: we merged to sections (policy and
business considerations)
... We changed the name, but we didn't agree on a name
<LisaSeemanKest_> Considerations for Different Contexts and Policies
<LisaSeemanKest_> +1
<Rain> +1
<JustineP> +1
<Rachael> +1
+1
Lisa: Any objections?
<krisannekinney> +1
Lisa: We had a conversation about the icons
Rachael: We are closing these out
on Friday. Once they are integrated, I will send a draft
response to EO referencing these changes
... I have to send it to COGA first
... Friday - Monday change, so we can get the email out on
Tuesday
... Just the response
Lisa: Rachael has done a fantastic job managing this enormous list
+1000!!!!
<JustineP> +1 to that!
Lisa: Did you cover this last
week?
... I think this also got sent to the list
Rachael: We got a lot of feedback
on the list
... What we have now is much more readable
<JustineP> We did not get to it last week
Rachael: We might ask people to read through the personas in detail when they do their review
Lisa: The idea was: there was a
non-binary profile
... We want to be inclusive, and make sure that people that
have not heard of this can understand it
<LisaSeemanKest_> https://raw.githack.com/w3c/coga/consistency_checks/content-usable/index.html#tal-a-student-who-has-dyslexia-and-impaired-eye-hand-coordination
<Rachael> Add (she/her/hers), (they/them/theirs), (he/him/his)
Rachael: Someone suggested we put the pronouns after the profile name
<Fazio> seems to be the current trend
Rachael: As a way to help clarify
+1 this is how we document information
David F: Yes, this appears to be how information is being shared in social media and other places
Lisa: For those that don't live in the United States and Canadians, I have not seen it used elsewhere
<Fazio> disabilityIN also
Lisa: I know what it is, but others may not
David F: I would agree it is Western European and North American
scribe: There is an organization
heavily involved with the LGBTQ group
... It is widely accepted within corporate America, but also
European companies
... It has become the trend
Lisa: Michael and Roy - does the W3C have a policy on this?
Roy: I'm not sure. Maybe I should confirm with my colleague
<LisaSeemanKest_> https://raw.githack.com/w3c/coga/consistency_checks/content-usable/index.html#tal-a-student-who-has-dyslexia-and-impaired-eye-hand-coordination
Lisa: Can you send an email with
this link
... We need to close whether we do this
... Do you need me to share an email?
Roy: that would be great
David F: We could put a simple sentence at the beginning of the profile, like "I prefer to be referred to as ..."
scribe: My preference is to be referred to as...
Lisa: It adds bulk, and may
confuse some people that have no idea about these issues, but I
think it is a good direction.
... Straw poll - shall we find out if there is a W3C
policy?
+1
<Fazio> qI think we will anger people if we don't address it at all
<LisaSeemanKest_> davids sugestionof (i like to be refered to as She
<LisaSeemanKest_> mild -1 - perefer asking w3c
*I'm confused about how you would like us to respond
<JustineP> -.05 it would be good to know what the W3C policy is regardless
Jennie: I would prefer to wait to
vote until I know the W3C policy because I need more
information about the international perspective.
... I am only familiar with what happens within my state
Lisa: Proposal - write to the W3C, then we close it on the list
<LisaSeemanKest_> ok if we write to w3c and close it in the list, giving 48 hours to repond
<LisaSeemanKest_> +1
<Fazio> +1
<Roy> +1
<JustineP> +1
<Albert> +1
<krisannekinney> +1
<Rain> +1
<Rachael> +1
0 only because of the timeframe
Rachael: We could include content on this as part of the CFC to COGA
David F: which list?
Lisa: Our internal list
David F: OK, I have no objection
Lisa: And when we go to AG
<Rachael> and APA
Rachael: I think we call out that we have diversified the personas - it is a pretty big change
<LisaSeemanKest_> jenni is ok with that!!
Lisa: a reminder. Some people's
clocks change, but not others
... We are tied to Boston time
*Some of us wait to hear the news because we cannot remember...
Rachael: It is on the 14th
<Rain> March 14
Lisa: I will call out the time in
the next 2 week's information about the calls
... I will assume that Roy is on top of this
<Fazio> lol
*Rachael - I have to drop - can you take over scribing? My apologies
<Fazio> mental health!!!!!
thank you Rachael
<Rachael> scribe: Rachael
Lisa: Goes over the 3 year plans.
We've done year 1 (design guide and glossary).
... personas. We've done all that. That is fantastic
... Now we want to revisit what we are doing as our priority
for year 2.
I've added things people have brought up. More personas, EO, APA reviewing specifications. If people want to add things.
<Rain> I like the list but wouldn't mind doing some formatting to make it easier
Fazio: We started mental health.
Rachael: Didn't publish but need to do a lot of work on it.
Lisa: Need to step back more and
start with research. Maybe recruit more people.
... maybe subgroup.
... maybe a call for different expertise in different areas of
mental health. We want to tackle it but may want to take a real
step back to figure out scope, etc.
+1 to that. :)
Lisa: Certainly one of the
topics. Please think about it and we are hoping Sunday/Monday
to finish editing. If people can start reviewing it.
... Please check the acknowledgments. How you are represented.
If others you worked with that are not represented, etc.
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