W3C

– DRAFT –
ARIA-WG

11 February 2021

Attendees

Present
Bryan, carmacleod, CurtBellew_, harris, Isabel, jamesn, jcraig, Jemma, Joanmarie_Diggs, Mark_McCarthy, Matt_King, pkra, Scott, siri
Regrets
Sina, Stefan
Chair
jamesn
Scribe
carmacleod

Meeting minutes

<jamesn> https://github.com/search?l=&q=is%3Aopen+is%3Aissue+repo%3Aw3c%2Faria+created%3A%3E%3D2021-02-04+repo%3Aw3c%2Faria+repo%3Aw3c%2Faccname+repo%3Aw3c%2Fcore-aam&type=issues

https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/1398

assigning Scott

https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/1397

Aaron has essentially answered this

I think we can close

Action: James to close #1397

https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/1396

jamesn: Assigning Carolyn

Scott: Assign me as well

carmacleod: Thank-you, Scott!

jamesn: There are a lot of ACCNAME issues

https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/1394

jamesn: Is this editorial?

jcraig: Yes - it's just in a note

<jamesn> https://github.com/search?l=&q=is%3Aopen+is%3Apr+repo%3Aw3c%2Faria+created%3A%3E%3D2021-02-04+repo%3Aw3c%2Faria+repo%3Aw3c%2Faccname+repo%3Aw3c%2Fcore-aam&type=issues

https://github.com/w3c/aria/pull/1395

jcraig: painful conflicts. may need to cherry-pick

<jamesn> https://github.com/search?q=is%3Aopen+repo%3Aw3c%2Faria+repo%3Aw3c%2Faria+repo%3Aw3c%2Faccname+repo%3Aw3c%2Fcore-aam+label%3Adeep-dive&type=issues

scott: what is needed to finish making inline elements generic? span is not mapping nicely to generic in HTML-AAM

jamesn: maybe we should ttalk about ACCNAME in next week's deep dive

bryan: sounds good

Updated aria-setsize and aria-posinset to clarify usage for authors<https://github.com/w3c/aria/pull/1332>

ACCNAME

<jamesn> https://github.com/w3c/accname/issues/98

<jamesn> https://github.com/w3c/accname/issues/97

jamesn: people, please add your opinions to these issues

carmacleod: what is the use case? how common is it?

bryan: it happens often. I see it typically where authors want to surround a form field with a label

jamesn: we have it in our component library

jamesn: we need this to be more consumable and understandable so that we can have consistent results across the browser engines

bryan: I think the only way is to have something automated

<jcraig> IIRC, BG is referring to my comment that test-driven development (with WebDriver computedlabel) is the way to move AccName forward.

jamesn: maybe we should codify what the browsers are doing?

bryan: that works well, except when there are discrepancies

<jcraig> WPT includes WebDriver tests

jcraig: webdriver has computedLabel - not all browsers support computedLabel yet. We could fail any that either don't support computedLabel or where the computedLabel doesn't match Accname

<jcraig> Some history: https://github.com/w3c/webdriver/issues/1439

jcraig: would rather have accname tests in Web Platform Tests instead of relying on webdriver

<jcraig> Source of the WPTWebDriver test for computedlabel

mck: maybe some of the ARIA-AT folks from Bocoup could give info on how to add accessors to WPT

https://github.com/w3c/webdriver/pull/1444/files

Summary of action items

  1. James to close #1397
Minutes manually created (not a transcript), formatted by scribe.perl version 127 (Wed Dec 30 17:39:58 2020 UTC).

Diagnostics

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