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17:58:28 <Zakim> RRSAgent, make logs Public
17:58:29 <Zakim> please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), jamesn
17:58:34 <jamesn> agendabot, find agenda
17:58:34 <agendabot> jamesn, sorry, I don't know which mailing list is associated with this channel. Try "agendabot, help this is".
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17:59:18 <jamesn> agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-aria/2021Feb/0007.html
17:59:19 <agendabot> clear agenda
17:59:19 <agendabot> agenda+ New Issue Triage<https://github.com/search?l=&q=is%3Aopen+is%3Aissue+repo%3Aw3c%2Faria+created%3A%3E%3D2021-02-04+repo%3Aw3c%2Faria+repo%3Aw3c%2Faccname+repo%3Aw3c%2Fcore-aam&type=Issues>
17:59:19 <agendabot> agenda+ New PR Triage<https://github.com/search?l=&q=is%3Aopen+is%3Apr+repo%3Aw3c%2Faria+created%3A%3E%3D2021-02-04+repo%3Aw3c%2Faria+repo%3Aw3c%2Faccname+repo%3Aw3c%2Fcore-aam&type=Issues>
17:59:20 <agendabot> agenda+ Meaty topic for next week<https://github.com/search?q=is%3Aopen+repo%3Aw3c%2Faria+repo%3Aw3c%2Faria+repo%3Aw3c%2Faccname+repo%3Aw3c%2Fcore-aam+label%3Adeep-dive&type=Issues>
17:59:20 <pkra> present+
17:59:23 <agendabot> agenda+ Updated aria-setsize and aria-posinset to clarify usage for authors<https://github.com/w3c/aria/pull/1332>
17:59:26 <agendabot> agenda+ ACCNAME
17:59:28 <agendabot> agenda+ 1.3 triage<https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues?q=is%3Aopen+is%3Aissue+milestone%3A%22ARIA+1.3%22+no%3Aproject+sort%3Acreated-asc>
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18:07:53 <Jemma> agenda?
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18:13:07 <carmacleod> scribe: carmacleod
18:14:07 <carmacleod> zakim, next item
18:14:07 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- New Issue Triage<https://github.com/search?l=&q=is%3Aopen+is%3Aissue+repo%3Aw3c%2Faria+created%3A%3E%3D2021-02-04+repo%3Aw3c%2Faria+repo%3Aw3c%2Faccname+repo%3Aw3c%2Fc
18:14:09 <jamesn> https://github.com/search?l=&q=is%3Aopen+is%3Aissue+repo%3Aw3c%2Faria+created%3A%3E%3D2021-02-04+repo%3Aw3c%2Faria+repo%3Aw3c%2Faccname+repo%3Aw3c%2Fcore-aam&type=issues
18:14:10 <Zakim> ... ore-aam&type=Issues> -- taken up [from agendabot]
18:14:55 <carmacleod> https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/1398
18:15:58 <carmacleod> assigning Scott
18:16:07 <carmacleod> present+ Scott
18:16:44 <carmacleod> https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/1397
18:16:56 <carmacleod> Aaron has essentially answered this
18:17:06 <carmacleod> I think we can close
18:17:25 <jamesn> action: James to close #1397
18:17:34 <carmacleod> https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/1396
18:18:28 <carmacleod> jamesn: Assigning Carolyn
18:19:06 <carmacleod> Scott: Assign me as well
18:19:35 <carmacleod> carmacleod: Thank-you, Scott!
18:19:59 <carmacleod> jamesn: There are a lot of ACCNAME issues
18:20:33 <carmacleod> https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/1394
18:20:58 <carmacleod> jamesn: Is this editorial?
18:21:26 <carmacleod> jcraig: Yes - it's just in a note
18:22:36 <carmacleod> zakim, next item
18:22:36 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- New PR Triage<https://github.com/search?l=&q=is%3Aopen+is%3Apr+repo%3Aw3c%2Faria+created%3A%3E%3D2021-02-04+repo%3Aw3c%2Faria+repo%3Aw3c%2Faccname+repo%3Aw3c%2Fcore-aa
18:22:39 <Zakim> ... m&type=Issues> -- taken up [from agendabot]
18:22:40 <jamesn> https://github.com/search?l=&q=is%3Aopen+is%3Apr+repo%3Aw3c%2Faria+created%3A%3E%3D2021-02-04+repo%3Aw3c%2Faria+repo%3Aw3c%2Faccname+repo%3Aw3c%2Fcore-aam&type=issues
18:23:54 <carmacleod> https://github.com/w3c/aria/pull/1395
18:24:27 <carmacleod> jcraig: painful conflicts. may need to cherry-pick
18:24:31 <carmacleod> zakim, next item
18:24:31 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- Meaty topic for next week<https://github.com/search?q=is%3Aopen+repo%3Aw3c%2Faria+repo%3Aw3c%2Faria+repo%3Aw3c%2Faccname+repo%3Aw3c%2Fcore-aam+label%3Adeep-dive&type=I
18:24:34 <Zakim> ... ssues> -- taken up [from agendabot]
18:25:16 <jamesn> https://github.com/search?q=is%3Aopen+repo%3Aw3c%2Faria+repo%3Aw3c%2Faria+repo%3Aw3c%2Faccname+repo%3Aw3c%2Fcore-aam+label%3Adeep-dive&type=issues
18:28:24 <carmacleod> scott: what is needed to finish making inline elements generic? span is not mapping nicely to generic in HTML-AAM
18:28:49 <carmacleod> jamesn: maybe we should ttalk about ACCNAME in next week's deep dive
18:30:04 <carmacleod> bryan: sounds good
18:31:34 <carmacleod> zakim, next item
18:31:34 <Zakim> agendum 4 -- Updated aria-setsize and aria-posinset to clarify usage for authors<https://github.com/w3c/aria/pull/1332> -- taken up [from agendabot]
18:32:41 <carmacleod> zakim, next item
18:32:41 <Zakim> agendum 5 -- ACCNAME -- taken up [from agendabot]
18:33:20 <jamesn> https://github.com/w3c/accname/issues/98
18:33:39 <jamesn> https://github.com/w3c/accname/issues/97
18:34:16 <carmacleod> jamesn: people, please add your opinions to these issues
18:34:36 <carmacleod> carmacleod: what is the use case? how common is it?
18:35:39 <carmacleod> bryan: it happens often. I see it typically where authors want to surround a form field with a label
18:36:17 <carmacleod> jamesn: we have it in our component library
18:37:22 <carmacleod> jamesn: we need this to be more consumable and understandable so that we can have consistent results across the browser engines
18:37:40 <carmacleod> bryan: I think the only way is to have something automated
18:38:19 <jcraig> IIRC, BG is referring to my comment that test-driven development (with WebDriver computedlabel) is the way to move AccName forward.
18:38:21 <carmacleod> jamesn: maybe we should codify what the browsers are doing?
18:38:39 <carmacleod> bryan: that works well, except when there are discrepancies
18:40:05 <jcraig> WPT includes WebDriver tests
18:41:03 <carmacleod> jcraig: webdriver has computedLabel - not all browsers support computedLabel yet. We could fail any that either don't support computedLabel or where the computedLabel doesn't match Accname
18:43:29 <jcraig> Some history: https://github.com/w3c/webdriver/issues/1439
18:44:28 <carmacleod> jcraig: would rather have accname tests in Web Platform Tests instead of relying on webdriver
18:45:51 <jcraig> Source of the WPT->WebDriver test for computedlabel https://github.com/w3c/webdriver/pull/1444/files
18:46:53 <carmacleod> mck: maybe some of the ARIA-AT folks from Bocoup could give info on how to add accessors to WPT
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18:47:53 <carmacleod> https://github.com/w3c/webdriver/pull/1444/files
19:16:44 <carmacleod> zakim, who is on the call?
19:16:44 <Zakim> Present: pkra, Joanmarie_Diggs, Jemma, carmacleod, CurtBellew_, harris, Scott, Matt_King
19:17:51 <carmacleod> present+ jamesn
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19:18:42 <carmacleod> present+ jcraig
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19:20:07 <carmacleod> zakim, who is on the call?
19:20:07 <Zakim> Present: pkra, Joanmarie_Diggs, Jemma, carmacleod, CurtBellew_, harris, Scott, Matt_King, jamesn, Mark_McCarthy, jcraig, Bryan, Isabel, siri
19:20:21 <carmacleod> rrsagent, make minutes
19:20:21 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/02/11-aria-minutes.html carmacleod
19:23:40 <carmacleod> regrets+ Sina
19:23:52 <carmacleod> regrets+ Stefan
19:23:56 <carmacleod> rrsagent, make minutes
19:23:56 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/02/11-aria-minutes.html carmacleod
19:25:05 <carmacleod> meeting: ARIA-WG
19:25:08 <carmacleod> rrsagent, make minutes
19:25:08 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/02/11-aria-minutes.html carmacleod
19:26:36 <carmacleod> chair: jamesn
19:26:38 <carmacleod> rrsagent, make minutes
19:26:38 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/02/11-aria-minutes.html carmacleod
19:28:18 <carmacleod> heh, you still here? :)  No problem. :)
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