<scribe> scribe: James Craig
<scribe> scribeNick: jcraig
agendum 1. "[New Issue Triage]
Why is aria-readonly allowed for checkboxes and radios? https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/1309
<jamesn> https://github.com/w3c/core-aam/issues/78
jamesn: jcraig, comment for you in the issue.
jcraig: I will review. Initially sounds like a bug, but need to review.
aaronlev: chrome has some bugs with menuitem in groups. Would be great to know why?
<jamesn> https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/1309
jamesn: jcraig will review and
potentially raise next week
... Scott raised this
Scott: sorry not sorry
jamesn: I think this may be an HTML bug. What do we want to do?
aaronlev: this is where ARIA is useful. allows something HTML does not
Scott: doesn't make sense to me. toggle + ..
jamesn: ARIA should be permissive, but let's move this one to 1.3
aaronlev: this one might be bigger than checkbox and radio.
jamesn: readonly can mean, relevant but you can't change it. disabled means irrelevant.
crowd: self-suppressed their rathole comments.
https://github.com/w3c/core-aam/issues/77
milestoned already
https://github.com/w3c/core-aam/issues/76
ditto
https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/1304
remove must from note in #mustContain
carmacleod_: I'll take the edit
jamesn: and pluralize "own"
sina: not an incorrect use of must
jamesn: We replace all RFC-2119 keywords: must, should, may
carmacleod_: I'll take that one too. (Thanks!)
one new PR https://github.com/w3c/accname/pull/88
jcraig: I may be opposed because this seems to suggest host languages are limited to HTML
jamesn: I think the real problem
may be the mention of `title` in step 2J
... title should come below the value of an embedded
control
sina: are we imagining an embedded control? is your concern that title takes precedence over label here?
<jamesn> https://github.com/w3c/accname/issues/36
jamesn: If you have an embedded label in a sub computation, and it had a title, we'd never get to the label contents...
jcraig: I'll comment on PR #88 that it could be "for example: (Not see:)" and then link at least 2: probably HTML-AAM and SVG-AAM
should target the title change in next version of AccName
jamesn: that's #36 that addresses the other AccName concern re: title
jamesn: carmacleod_ trees next week August 20th
matt, aaron, and jcraig confirmed ability to attend
<jamesn> https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/1311
carmacleod_: use first comment like a wiki
sina: please list a comment that you've made substantive changes.. for notifications
jamesn: any other groups to meet with at TPAC
Matt_King: EOWG and Judy related to practices, CG, JTF, etc
proposal discussed with Sharron Rush and Shawn Henry about making practices not strictly about ARIA only
planning that already via discussion, but would like to bring the ARIA WG into the discussion... I should be ready before TPAC
jamesn: We could have a ARIA meeting during or before TPAC and invite the others... (the definition of "TPAC" this year is somewhat loose)
<joanie> https://www.w3.org/wiki/TPAC/2020/GroupMeetings
Matt_King: I will put together a list of people in the next few hours
jcraig: there are some web components meetings related to Accessibility before TPAC
<jamesn> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1QTcATefkEzUIsmE3xLXb5oDuom4BNCknXiYXpBNhzjQ/edit#
jamesn: anything else? joanie and I thought we could schedule the deep dive topics in the regular meeting time
should we have any meetings during the TPAC week
Matt_King: no real benefit for scheduling that week since it's not in person
jcraig: some people are blocking their work schedules during that week for W3C meetings.. we could schedule an APAC time zone meeting for others that can't make the normal time
jamesn: leaning toward not
scheduling meetings and just recruiting membership or having
ARIA WG attending other related WG meetings
... matt, we still need to schedule the XF meeting you
mentioned
are we agreed to not have a specific ARIA meeting that week?
No objections
joanie: old issue targeted for "ARIA 2.0"
comment reminded me that we don't have much in the spec about ARIA sort
StefanS: typical that users are used to multi-column sorting in business applications
there is an issue that aria-sort on a column header cell or a button within the cell? SRs may not announce both
Matt_King: typically attr on the cell and the button is inside the cell
StefanS: should clarify this issue (more important) before clarifying the multiple-column sort usage
sina: I think all should be discussed in 1.3
Matt_King: agreed, but would like the simplest approach
jamesn: CurtBellew: I seem to recall ADF may have this
<carmacleod_> example with indicators in column headers: flat line = not sorted but sortable; up or down chevron = sorted column and direction
<carmacleod_> https://dequeuniversity.com/library/aria/table-sortable
sina: I think I know of visible examples. I will check.
jcraig: carmacleod_: not possibleto tell in that table since there are no shared values between rows in any column
<carmacleod_> jcraig: ah, ok
<joanie> https://community.dynamics.com/crm/b/mscrmcustomization/posts/view-sorting-more-than-two-columns
<StefanS> https://openui5.hana.ondemand.com/entity/sap.ui.table.Table/sample/sap.ui.table.sample.Sorting
<CurtBellew> in ADF I found tables that allow sorting on one of multiple columns but not a table allowing sorting on multiple columns at once
<jamesn> https://datatables.net/examples/basic_init/multi_col_sort.html
jamesn: I found an example
... move to Adjourn. past the hour. thanks everyone
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