https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/task-forces/silver/wiki/Main_Page
<Chuck> I won't make it.
<bruce_bailey> i think i can
<dboudreau> +1 to being at AccessU
<Jan> I will be at AccessU
shari at AccessU
<scribe> ACTION: jeanne to send out a form about AccessU and days.
<trackbot> Created ACTION-201 - Send out a form about accessu and days. [on Jeanne F Spellman - due 2019-04-05].
<Zakim> JF, you wanted to comment on #10
https://w3c.github.io/silver/requirements/index.html#toc
https://w3c.github.io/silver/requirements/index.html#design-principles-and-requirements
<Lauriat> 9. The creation process for the guidelines should: Be written so the Guideline content is used in adaptable and customizable ways. For example, Silver content is available to be extracted by users to adapt to their needs.
<Lauriat> 10. The creation process for the guidelines should: Improve the ability to support automated testing where appropriate and provide a procedure for repeatable test results when manual testing is appropriate. Write the tests before the guideline.
The creation process for the guidelines should: Improve the ability to support automated testing where appropriate and provide a procedure for repeatable tests when manual testing is appropriate.
+1
<Chuck> +1
<JF> +1
<asoroken> +1
<bruce_bailey> +1
<Jan> +1
<dboudreau> +1
RESOLUTION: Improve the ability to support automated testing where appropriate and provide a procedure for repeatable tests when manual testing is appropriate.
<Jan> I have to drop.
All Silver guidance has tests or procedures so that the results can be verified. In addition to the current true/false success criteria, other ways of measuring are available where appropriate so that more needs of people with disabilities can be included.
<Lauriat> All Silver guidance has tests or procedures so that the results can be verified. In addition to the current true/false success criterion, other ways of measuring are available (for example: a sliding scale) where appropriate so that more needs of people with disabilities can be included.
All Silver guidance has tests or procedures so that the results can be verified. In addition to the current true/false success criteria, other ways of measuring (for example, rubrics, sliding scale, task-completion, user research with people with disabilities, and more) are available where appropriate so that more needs of people with disabilities can be included.
<JF> +1
<Chuck> +1
<bruce_bailey> +1
https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/SilverRequirmentsReview/results
+1 to Charles. It is feasible. Is it the best it can be yet? Still to be determined.
RESOLUTION: All Silver guidance has tests or procedures so that the results can be verified. In addition to the current true/false success criteria, other ways of measuring (for example, rubrics, sliding scale, task-completion, user research with people with disabilities, and more) are available where appropriate so that more needs of people with disabilities can be included.
Create a maintenance model for guidelines that can better meet the needs of people with disabilities using emerging technologies and interactions. The process of developing the guidance includes experts in the technology.
JF: Maintenance model is too limited.
Create a extensible maintenance model for guidelines that can better meet the needs of people with disabilities using emerging technologies and interactions. The process of developing the guidance includes experts in the technology.
JF: It feels maintaining instead of growing
<Lauriat> "Flexible maintenance and extensibility"
<JF> +1
<Chuck> +1
<dboudreau> +1
RESOLUTION: TItle: Flexible maintenance and extensibility. Create a extensible maintenance model for guidelines that can better meet the needs of people with disabilities using emerging technologies and interactions. The process of developing the guidance includes experts in the technology.
<JF> +1
Denis: question of how this can be both about structure and process
Shawn: There were many aspects, but the simplest example is adding numbers in WCAG 2.1. This is about those who are working on guidance, but ultimately it serves the users.
Denis: Should that be captured here?
Shawn: It is in the Opportunites for Silver section - adding new things and scaling up for the future
3 Multiple ways to display
Make the guidelines available in different accessible and usable ways so the guidance can be customized by and for different audiences.
<Cyborg> where are we at moment again?
Make the guidelines available in different accessible and usable ways or formats so the guidance can be customized by and for different audiences.
<dboudreau> Cyborg - https://w3c.github.io/silver/requirements/index.html#multiple-ways-to-display
<Lauriat> Proposed wording with the addition: "Make the guidelines available in different accessible and usable ways or formats so the guidance can be customized by and for different audiences."
jeanne: Doesn't formats imply file formats?
<Cyborg> present v display?
Make the guidelines available in different accessible and usable ways or formats so the guidance can be customized by and for different audiences.
<JF> +1
+1
<asoroken> +1
<dboudreau> +1 to adding formats
RESOLUTION: Make the guidelines available in different accessible and usable ways or formats so the guidance can be customized by and for different audiences. Edit to remove better conjunctions.
Guideline are user-centric. Methods are technology-centric. Guidelines are worded to apply across varied technologies and avoid being technology-specific. The intent of technology-neutral wording is to provide the opportunity to apply guidelines to current and emerging technology, even if the technical advice doesn't yet exist. Technical details are discoverable in the Methods but are not
required to understand guidelines.
<Cyborg> what does agnostic give you that neutral doesn't?
Chuck: Agnostic implies technology irrelevant. Neutral isn't as descriptive.
JF: AGWG wasn't asking for specific language, just wanted the concept.
<dboudreau> to me, agnostic implies purposefully not taking sides, while neutral is more about being indifferent...
Cybele: agnostic implies "not tied", and that could be added to the description.
<CharlesHall> agnostic includes a doubt. neutral simply means not-specific.
Denis: Agnostic implies not taking sides, neutral seems more indifferent.
<Cyborg> from tolerance to universal - lol
<Cyborg> deliberately universal, not tied to
This is scribe.perl Revision: 1.154 of Date: 2018/09/25 16:35:56 Check for newer version at http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2002/scribe/ Guessing input format: Irssi_ISO8601_Log_Text_Format (score 1.00) Present: jeanne bruce_bailey Chuck dboudreau JF AngelaAccessForAll shari Jan Lauriat CharlesHall No ScribeNick specified. Guessing ScribeNick: jeanne Inferring Scribes: jeanne Found Date: 29 Mar 2019 People with action items: jeanne WARNING: Input appears to use implicit continuation lines. You may need the "-implicitContinuations" option. WARNING: IRC log location not specified! (You can ignore this warning if you do not want the generated minutes to contain a link to the original IRC log.)[End of scribe.perl diagnostic output]