<scribe> scribe: Gottfried
Matthew: Update from Accessible
games workshop
... In contact with Francois by email. Colleagues working on a
funded project on accessible games. Will talk more next
week.
<MichaelC> https://www.w3.org/2018/12/games-workshop/
Matthew: The workshop will be on June 27-28, in Redmond.
<janina> https://www.w3.org/2018/12/games-workshop/
Matthew is organizing accessibility-related materials for the workshop.
Janina: Position paper could be
personal, but could also be from APA (this is an
invitation)
... If from APA, Matthew should post the paper draft on the APA
mailing list ahead of submission.
... If requested, we can make up agenda time in APA calls for
this.
Janina: North America is
currently on daylight time - Europe will catch up at the end of
March. One more week in which the call is earlier for
Europeans.
... We expect to meet every week as regular.
Michael: Session by BBC and a
company. Special font designed for BBC website.
... Requirements included accessibility, in particular for
people with dyslexia.
... Interesting to learn about the relationship between font
design and dyslexia.
... Font is mainstream, and will be distributed by BBC.
Janina: Moving back in the direction of monospace fonts.
Michael: Yes, wider
letter-spacing than for other fonts.
... Also, curves in the letters are shaped differently.
... One session on best practices for captioning. What should
be captioned, and how?
... Second session on a study done by BBC on the size for
captions.
... A certain size range was optimal. Found out by user
studies.
Janina: Consistency in captioning is important too.
<IanPouncey> For anyone interested in some background on the new BBC font: https://www.bbc.co.uk/gel/articles/introducing-bbc-reith
Janina: How was the new venue?
Michael: Was about as functional as the old one.
Janina: We should touch on our comments on recent CSS drafts.
Ian: Transform module - last
review brought up the idea of canceling a transform
operation.
... I think that does not belong in the module itself -
although i think it is worth considering.
... Should be a module in itself or a media feature.
... A way of reduced motion.
... Like an animated gif.
Janina: Animation control has the
potential to be more globally applicable.
... May be more useful for other things as well.
Ian: There are different ways to
create animation on the web. CSS is only one of them.
... Could be checked with JS before triggering animation.
... There may be support for this by browser settings.
Gottfried: We need to have media queries that reflect personal preferences, not only media settings.
Ian: Not necessarily, but browser manufacturers are now more interested in this. But there is not a standard method for this right now.
<Matthew_Atkinson> I like the idea of more global control over animations. Here's a WebExtension/bookmarklet/script that may provide some interesting background: https://togglific.io/
Ian: Difficult to get people talking about this. Will try though.
Janina: Could you keep this kind of conversation going?
Ian: The CSS an animiation specialist who could maybe help with this.
Janina: Candidates for
conversation: Animation control, video/audio play, blink
rate.
... We need a more functional web. But we need acceptance for
this in the browser community.
Ian: I can see what we can do.
Matthew: Interesting article: https://togglific.io/. Covers a lot of types of animation.
Ian: We want to be able to do this, but in a browser-configuration way.
Janina: Also talking to the OS about its settings.
Ian: Yes, high-contrast, motion or not settings.
Janina: We had previously talked about this in the personalization tf. If you continue this conversation by email, please cc the personalization tf.
<IanPouncey> https://www.w3.org/TR/css-pseudo-4/
Ian: Amy looked at the CSS pseudo
4 module.
... Has a suggestion to add an a11y paragraph.
<IanPouncey> https://www.w3.org/TR/css-color-4/
Ian: Now with a hint to the WCAG 2.1 criteria for use of color.
Janina: Whenever a concept is evolving, Judy would be happy to distribute this to the wider W3C community.
Ian: We first need to get started with this.
Janina: I have not done enough to
move this forward recently. Working on my action item
list.
... Interesting publishing approach was coming up from a
Benetec diagram, how to handle STEM content
presentations.
... Text book for testing things in Math: onscreen graphics in
SVG, and MathML going into HTML details element.
... I suspect the chemistry approach might be the same.
... It might also work for other use cases.
Janina: My actions have focused
on a lot of comments on CAPTCHA.
... We got a raft of comments on security privacy review. We
realized we also need internationalization.
Michael: We might need to extend our timeline.
Janina: Yes. We have a lot of
comments. Took up all time of rqtf this morning.
... We got a reponse from the lead developer from Google
recaptcha.
... We need to improve the text on biometrics. Should be
simpler.
... Will probably take another round.
Janina: New publications?
Michael: I think we are all set.
Janina: Various W3C wg charters
state that they need an a11y review.
... Do we need a wishlist?
... The idea is for us to have a repository of features that we
could plug in when conversing with wgs.
... Recent example: Because we had a history in Math, we were
prepared to have a good conversation with others on
MathML.
... This could also happen in other knowledge domains. We
should have things prepared when we have an opportunity (which
is not controlled by us)
Michael: This came up on the
security charter with Judy Brewer. She had the idea to have a
spec on development.
... We often encounter a problem that we can plug in a
technology. But it might be better to work with wgs on
accessibility plugs that other wgs have.
... Good to have a set of features on repository that we can
plug in.
Gottfried: We are short on time. Hard to work on things that we don't know if they will be taken up. We should rather be quick in responding to requests.
Janina: We worked hard on the
MAUR on many years. We were highly successful on this - we got
HTML markup for supporting captions and audio
description.
... But some things are still missing: Best practice guidance
on authoring, testing environments for testing user agents, how
to put captions in effect for users.
... e.g. second screen, audio descriptions for a subset of
listeners only.
... Had we written this up beforehand, we could have had more
impact.
... Another issue: encrypted media consumption and how a11y is
supported here.
... So we can follow up on things that we have left out in the
past.
Gottfried: I support this.
Janina: Paradigm around Math;
could work for chemistry as well.
... Could this also be done with a biological cell module? -
Might be too difficult because of nesting.
... Should we start collecting things? Yet another Wiki?
Becky: Isn't that what the community group is supposed to be doing?
Janina: Yes. But not necessarily
for the media access stuff.
... And maybe not for the module about media queries
controlling animation.
... On the personalization tf there are relatively few people
that have been thinking in this direction.
Becky: We were more focused on substition on cognitive.
Janina: Because we started with
Lisa's doc and then added Charles'.
... In IndieUI, we did talk about this.
Gottfried: IndieUI was good on personalization, it is a pity we did not go further on this thread. Should add this topic to the wish list.
Janina: Yes, we were talking
about personalization in the future in the IndieUI wg. We
talked with CSS wg and they offered to include that in media
queries.
... But then we lost the track.
... Ian, we hope you can take this up again.
... We will support you on this.
... We may have a useful functional list of things.
Gottfried: More motivated to work on wg notes. They are public and we can point others to them.
Janina: Judy is pushing to
continue the MAUR.
... Adjourn. Thank you for participating.
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