<AxelPollleres> PROPOSED: approve minutes rom F2F
<AxelPollleres> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-dpvcg/2018Dec/0042.html
<scribe> scribe: rigo
rigo: all requested incorporated
<AxelPollleres> Axel: Rigo confirmed all ACTION items have been collected
<AxelPollleres> PROPOSED: approve minutes rom F2F, cf. https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-dpvcg/2018Dec/0042.html
<harsh> +1
+1
RESOLUTION: approve minutes rom F2F, cf. https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-dpvcg/2018Dec/0042.html
trackbot, ACTION-50?
<trackbot> ACTION-50 -- Bud P. Bruegger to Suggest a new hierarchy of the usage policy diagram and integrate into the presentation of tuesday 11 -- due 2018-12-11 -- OPEN
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/community/dpvcg/track/actions/50
trackbot, ACTION-51?
<trackbot> ACTION-51 -- Bud P. Bruegger to Prepare a presentation for next dpvcg telco on 11 december -- due 2018-12-11 -- OPEN
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/community/dpvcg/track/actions/51
<MarkL> Hello
Hi Mark
Axel: Minutes were approved
... main goal is to to go through the minutes and report from
the F2F
Eva: agenda+ for Bud to present his model of processing
Bud: 30 min and trying screen sharing
Axel: covered all the items we wanted to discuss [enumerates] for further info see https://www.w3.org/2018/12/03-dpvcg-minutes and https://www.w3.org/2018/12/04-dpvcg-minutes
Axel: action-6 continued
... DMA and IDS project has no detailed response yet
trackbot, close ACTION-31
<trackbot> Closed ACTION-31.
Axel: Keep Action-33 open
Mark: was hoping to align work with Kantara, there is a lot of benefit
Axel: we should talk at next call
about Action-33
... we start with Action-42
Eva: Action-42 is ongoing
... action-43 had some feedback, is not very usable for us.
Will send email to the list
note action-43 eva will send email to the list
<trackbot> Notes added to action-43 Have a look a study on aal that might help us.
<AxelPollleres> close ACTION-46
<trackbot> Closed ACTION-46.
<AxelPollleres> close ACTION-47
<trackbot> Closed ACTION-47.
Harsh: was discussing action-48 on email.
Axel: maybe put a link to ??
<AxelPollleres> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-dpvcg/2018Dec/0021.html
note action-48 add https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-dpvcg/2018Dec/0021.html
<trackbot> Notes added to action-48 Look into classifications of organisations that could serve as a basis for clsssifying data controllers.
Eva: action-49 did not know how
to put the image to the wiki. Do not know where to put it
... the boxes where we added "legal grounds" in Vienna
harsh: under policy would be an option
Axel: Link it from the taxonomy page
<AxelPollleres> close ACTION-50
<trackbot> Closed ACTION-50.
<AxelPollleres> close ACTION-51
<trackbot> Closed ACTION-51.
Bud: Action-50 will be treated in the presentation later today
harsh: suggestion from Javier that I like, will continue to discuss
Axel: on mailing-list for further discussion
<harsh> mail for Action 53 (check thread for more conversations) https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-dpvcg/2018Dec/0014.html
<AxelPollleres> slides ACTION-54 are here https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-dpvcg/2018Dec/0036.html
note action-53 thread with further conversation at https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-dpvcg/2018Dec/0014.html
<trackbot> Notes added to action-53 Together with harsh, fajar, javier start on a base ontology, suggest a namespace, etc. and start populate the sub-taxonomies, agree on language to model it..
<AxelPollleres> close ACTION-54
<trackbot> Closed ACTION-54.
Eva: screen sharing via webex.
Bud: processing operations
Eva: images with core processing model sent yesterday as first in the slide deck
Bud: it is only about processing personal data, then there is processing, only those necessary for the given purpose
AxelPollleres: also location for processing, do we need the time for processing
Bud: it is time to store, storage
and transfer are special cases of processing
... lower right corner could also be deletion, then timestamp
would be relevant
Axel: we have temperal elements in SPECIAL
Bud: storage location is
relevant
... can be many locations, because of backup etc, also time of
storage
<AxelPollleres> Axel: don't we also need temporal aspects for processing?
Bud: core purpose for exchange of
services or goods, but often things are bundled to make a
package deal. Other purposes are not core
... base consent to multiple purposes, then optional
purpose
... than optional additional purposes that are not bundled
<AxelPollleres> Axel: why is there the distinction between base and additional consent?
Bud: what is the relation between purpose and data, does addtional purpose mean additional data or same data?
Mark: time period for consent and time for data retention
<AxelPollleres> Mark: time period for consent?
Mark: update consent which is linked to data retention in GDPR
=> slides will be sent to the list after the meeting
<AxelPollleres> Axel: I think that legal ground needs a temporal dimension (at least law or consent)
AxelPollleres: we discussed purposes in meeting with harsh
harsh: started discussion on mailing-list
<harsh> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-dpvcg/2018Dec/0041.html
AxelPollleres: we wanted to insantiate purposes
<harsh> described on the wiki https://www.w3.org/community/dpvcg/wiki/Purposes_for_handling_Personal_Data#High-level_categories_.28to-be-discussed.29
=> discussion on purposes
eva: suggest to raise this as an issue
Axel: core purpose, without this,
no service can be provided
... research etc
<AxelPollleres> ACTION: Axel And Bert to collect ACTIONS and emails to be discussed in subsequent calls
<trackbot> Created ACTION-56 - And bert to collect actions and emails to be discussed in subsequent calls [on Axel Polleres - due 2018-12-18].
dlewis: good start, logic and high level makes sense, just wondering about the distinction between optimization and optimization for the client that I would call personalization
AxelPollleres: we may make the distinction, server of consumer side
<AxelPollleres> Dave: personalisation is an optimization for a single data subject
discussion about the optimization term
optimization for service or optimization for data subject
<AxelPollleres> local language can be considered personalisation, but affects more than a single consumer, but is not optimization
dlewis: what is an optimization anyway, how to distinguish from other functionalities
<AxelPollleres> Harsh: local language can be considered personalisation, but affects more than a single consumer, but is not optimization
<harsh> We should create an issue and discuss this later/in mails. (conscious of time)
<MarkL> (thanks for call I have to drop )
<AxelPollleres> ACTION: harsh to start definitionsions of the high-level purposes at https://www.w3.org/community/dpvcg/wiki/Purposes_for_handling_Personal_Data#High-level_categories_.28to-be-discussed.29 and map them to purposes collected from use cases
<trackbot> Created ACTION-57 - Start definitionsions of the high-level purposes at https://www.w3.org/community/dpvcg/wiki/purposes_for_handling_personal_data#high-level_categories_.28to-be-discussed.29 and map them to purposes collected from use cases [on Harshvardhan Pandit - due 2018-12-18].
<MarkL> great work everyone -- great to see this am looking forward to contributing..
next meeting 8 Jan?
Axel: suggest we target that date?
Bert: will be available on 8 Jan
Axel: season's greetings....
<AxelPollleres> Bert is available to chair on 8th if I'm unavailable.
adjourned