moneill2: Would like to understand Rob's issue, but Rob is not here today.
wileys: We have agreement to discuss multiple purposes though an extension and the well-known location or the TSR.
moneill2: Isn't TSR and well-known location the same thing? well-known returns a JSON record.
schunter: One field in the TSR is a pointer to a human-readable text.
moneill2: We can say the extension can only be used with DNT:0.
wileys: Agree, but didn't Rob have an issue for DNT:1?
moneill2: Art 8 on analytics may be an exception.
schunter: So consensus seems to be to allow up to a certain number (16) of purposes.
moneill2: Value in DNT header should identify a human-readable policy via the TSR.
schunter: We want some convergence of purposes in the long term.
moneill2: Yes, also consider that they will have to be in different languages in Europe.
moneill2: What interest do you see, Shane?
wileys: Chicken and egg.
… Recent browser features seen as adverse by online ad industry, so conversation is not good. Their concern is that browsers will implement in a way that is negative for them. So they need a word from browsers. Then some at least will be willing ot move on UGE support.
… It is very sensitive right now. Difficult to get commitment on either side.
… Will take all of 2018 to get there. Will be slow and piecemeal in the beginning.
moneill2: Will have to see what the Trilogues in Europe will give.
wileys: The sooner this group can make a standard the better. Then they can pursue it and go with it to the browser makers.
… Whatis needed to get an extension? Won't be ready before the end of the year.
… MAybe we can get another CR our this year, but not a REC before Q1 2018.
<wileys> There will be convergance in some areas but I think we need to keep the flexibility for each company to do what it needs to be compliant
schunter: If we don't get more support, it will be a hard battle. With new members joining, we have more possibilities.
… We need some prototypes. Maybe after 6 months of experience we can do a version 1.1.
moneill2: We can maybe get a few people involved to get some interoperability.
wileys: I'll ask the IAB to contact you, Matthias.
schunter: Bert, is my estimate of WG extension chances correct?
Bert: Yes, your plan is good, need a publication and show member interest.
wileys: If we can get at least one browser implem, the dominoes will start to fall.
schunter: Don't expect impelementations of the multiple purposes before 6 montsh, even if we publish soon.
… We need stronger evidence.
wileys: Google may be in a position, because they do browser *and* ads.
… Getting Mozilla back in would be good. But they would probably not be the ones asking for multiple purposes.
schunter: Get @@ on the WG?
wileys: I can try to find out?
schunter: If they make some statement, that may convince the Director.
… If we say we want to publish a spec that we believe is not enough, we won't convince the Director.
wileys: Not so black and white. It is very close.
… Asking people to install extensions is not a path forward.
moneill2: People use extensions to try out things.
<wileys> Flash and SL are both dying slow deaths
schunter: Say Deutsche Telekom makes a plugin. It shows interest, even if it is not fancy.
wileys: We need browsers to step up more, before ad industry wants to invest.
schunter: We need some evidence, interest to show to W3C.
wileys: Let me try if I can get some people to come.
… And I'll have more to talk about next week.
schunter: Some user group engagement. Maybe even one of them can join.
schunter: What other options are the sites exploring? Cookies?
wileys: Yes, and server-to-server protocols. But they are hoping DNT can provide a solution.
… If browsers do DNT, it'll be much cheaper for them.
Discussion about time and sequence of work on extensions.
Can somebody form IABEU be Invited Expert?
Bert: There has to be a conflict-of-interest check, for the rest it is up to use who to invite.
schunter: We may need an extension of 2 months to finish the REC.
… Publishing a REC will give us a good situation to ask for a new charter.
Disucssion about implementation report and tests.
Format of report.
moneill2: What about EFF implementation, Privacy Badger?
at: We are still planning on implementing.
schunter: By end of year would be perfect.
at: I will talk with the team to see what the planning is.
schunter: And Mike should work with Bert on starting an implem. report.
moneill2: I'll see Martin Kurze tomorrow, I'll ask him what he plans to implement.
Next meeting is next week.
wileys: About the extension, we'll need to see what Rob's issue means. It may make it go in a different direction.
No scribenick or scribe found. Guessed: bert