trackbot, prepare teleconference

<scribe> ScribeNick: addison

Note Well: new dial-in info https://www.w3.org/2017/09/i18n-meeting-info.html

<r12a> Previous meeting minutes: https://www.w3.org/2017/09/21-i18n-minutes.html

Agenda

Action Items

https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/open

action-618?

<trackbot> action-618 -- Richard Ishida to Create a short document about making direction default recommendation to be 'auto' and send to www-international@ for review -- due 2017-08-25 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/618

close action-618

<trackbot> Closed action-618.

action-652?

<trackbot> action-652 -- Addison Phillips to Ensure that our tpac av request is filed -- due 2017-09-21 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/652

close action-652

<trackbot> Closed action-652.

action-655?

<trackbot> action-655 -- Richard Ishida to Send pending issues agreed during call, and close issues agreed during call; and send out new list for discussion next week -- due 2017-09-28 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/655

close action-655

<trackbot> Closed action-655.

Info Share

Radar

https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/projects/1

http://w3c.github.io/i18n-activity/projects/

richard: education, possibility of developing a course in i18n, arabic in html/css

Websub content negotiation

https://github.com/w3c/websub/issues/124

<r12a> https://w3c.github.io/websub/#content-negotiation

(discussion)

<scribe> ACTION: richard: notify Websub we are satisfied with 124 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2017/09/28-i18n-minutes.html#action01]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-656 - Notify websub we are satisfied with 124 [on Richard Ishida - due 2017-10-05].

Review Pending and Close issues (continued)

<r12a> http://w3c.github.io/i18n-activity/reviews/

<r12a> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/387

<scribe> ACTION: richard: contact fantasai about issue 387 inviting summary of current status of text-emphasis-position [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2017/09/28-i18n-minutes.html#action02]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-657 - Contact fantasai about issue 387 inviting summary of current status of text-emphasis-position [on Richard Ishida - due 2017-10-05].

https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/23

richard: almost closeable
... spec implied one emphasis mark per character
... meaning Unicode codepoint perhaps
... spec updated to mean text unit
... which is tailored grapheme cluster

no object to original comment

richard: just close?

close

https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/389

<r12a> https://github.com/w3c/jlreq/issues/9

addison: emphasis marks too?

https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/388

add 388 to the action item

https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/385

in vertical ja, marks/underline on right, in zh, on left

scribe: what happens when ja embedded in zh or vice versa

richard: also question about whether Korean uses emphasis marks, raised a question
... seen in horizontal text
... raised question

https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/395

<r12a> https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/1288

<r12a> JcK: this could also be an issue in Latin, eg. what happens in 'gij' ?

<r12a> andrew: you need to ensure that it doesn't clash with latin characters with dot below or macron below

<r12a> ACTION: Richard to look for latin text with dot or macron below that could cause problems for underline [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2017/09/28-i18n-minutes.html#action03]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-658 - Look for latin text with dot or macron below that could cause problems for underline [on Richard Ishida - due 2017-10-05].

<r12a> ACTION: Richard de-pend all the css-text-decor issues [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2017/09/28-i18n-minutes.html#action04]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-659 - De-pend all the css-text-decor issues [on Richard Ishida - due 2017-10-05].

UTR 53 Unicode Arabic Mark Ordering Algorithm

http://www.unicode.org/review/pri359/

http://www.unicode.org/reports/tr53/tr53-1.pdf

<r12a> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3Autr53

richard: if you look at page 7
... example 2a and 2b
... sukun under seen
... problem is to get order to stay same
... if normalized, you get 2b (always)
... messed up original numbering for normalization
... trying to address
... means is an additional bit of normalization just for arabic
... but could spread to other scripts
... re-orders things that are borken
... in order to place in either order, you should use a CGJ
... as soon as you run NFC/NFD on this, you will break one
... then reapply arabic only algorithm

addison: don't want to change the normalization itself?

richard: stability says can't change
... big worry is go back to all specs that deal with normalization

addison: a new normalization form :-(

richard: add rules to normalization, additional decision point since only arabic

andrewc: myanmar script, order of code points different from normalization

richard: have a look at what I wrote

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