Accessible Rich Internet Applications Working Group Teleconference

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Advancing Core AAM to CR (finally)

JM furiously doing sanity checks, cleanup, on CORE AM

JD: now in excellent shape, creating testable stmts

<jongund> Having trouble gettting into webex

JD: so far, 172 different test files
... 2 different UA on Mac and Linux. Plans more as CfC announce
... we really{3} need to move on this
... needs to move in time for tpac. Dependency mess is holding ARIA1.1 back
... Must do: CfC *tomorrow*
... will review and +1, go to CR
... what do you recommend for mandate?

MC: 5 days should be ok

JD: can I issue today?
... 5 business days from now?

MK: 48 hours, expire next wed

MC: think we should give WG enough time to transition, be ready by next thurs
... give until wed, 4 BD
... we should give people time to object

JD: will output today, after this meeting 🎉
... any questions?

Creating an Authoring Practices task force

JD: 302 to MC

MC: APTF, this is really a formalisation
... there's some infra behind a TF, and more formal tracking
... Matt agreed, and so why not make TF
... enable it to do what it's doing already
... Jason said "does this mean I can still do stuff without joining TF", yes
... if member of public, then yes. Github contributors too

[MK]: main reason is to see more contributions from members from the public, have a community group

MC: work statement is boring, "work on Authoring PRactices" mostly copied from spec abstract

JG: what would be the purpose of the community group, who would run it?

MK: We would not need separate meeting for CG. Main reason is to have people help contribute as community group

MC: All contributors'd need is W3C account
... not put patented material in this, that's our catch all. There's some automation for that

MK: Only thing is a formal change from CG to TF

JG: Is this still part of ARIA WG?

MC: subgroup, as it was before
... no real difference, we could potentially set up some things that you can join, tracker, wiki... tooling. But not mandatory
... aside from that, just increase of formal tracking

MK: Do we need a CfC?

MC: Yeah, if it's to be approved. Joanie put it on agenda to force me to write work statement

MK: If no objections, move fwd

JD: will put that out today as well

Task force updates

JD: this is to mull over
... related to fact that we have proposal for new TF, and personalisation
... most ppl do their own thing, & that's good
... and we might need a bit more formal reporting
... and have updates at the Thurs WG meeting
... how to TF's feel about it?

MK: having predictable agenda is good
... soliciting feedback is good
... could be useful.

JD: will e-mail others to see how they feel
... AAPI might come back to life

MK: would find it helpful to have CSS, and API & personalisation milestone info. Touch base, see what other groups are doing

JD: agrees

ARIA 1.1 "actions / status" check in

TPAC

<joanie> https://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/wiki/Meetings/TPAC_2017

JD: working on wiki. HAve agenda points coming up
... hopes lots of people show up
... has lots of sad hacks
... we can automate so much, and a lot of stuff that's been keeping us really busy
... I have solutions for that
... in time for TPAC
... stuff will become more streamlined
... lisa e-mailed me to say that she wonders if she can get some meeting space and time
... and the CSS a11y TF, and new authoring TF, I dunno what ppl need so I added TF needs wiki
... if you need stuff, let us know
... put it in le wiki
... need something on the agenda? put it in the wiki
... need a meeting space? put it in the wiki
... on the 1.2 stuff, we're gonna meet with [?] folks and Web Platform folks

MK: One question for RS, you were talking about deeper involvement on the part of AT Vendors

MK they were starting to commit and be interested in contributing

MK: do we have anybody planning to participate with TPAC on that?
... would be good to discuss things F2F with AT devs

RS: some devs left (James Teh left NVDA)

<jongund> JG: I will not be at TPAC, but could attend remotely for some session if important

RS: possibility that he would go
... I can reach out to Glenn Gordon, see if some CFO comes
... happy to reach out to James Teh

MK: there are issues on GH, whiteboard time, confusion between combobox and select
... readonly comboboxes, selects, how SR may or may not handle autocomplete values
... and with the new combobox patterns we have thorny things
... we could save a lot of time by getting the right folks together
... would love that

RS: Also have Joanie who works on Orca
... What about MS? Larry White?
... Unlikely to get Apple folks

MK: will give James a ping
... might be a good time

JD: will happily delegate
... added on Wiki, agenda point relevant about AT vendor interaction

JG: would be easier to get to Toronto than TPAC. Early 2018 would be easier to attend

JD: Are you coming to TPAC JG?

JG: Unfortunately not

ARIA 1.1 "actions / status" check in

JD: shoutout to JG
... tomorrow JG, I can send you link to CORE-AAM testable statements
... next week,can you generate reports?

JG: public test server reports?

JD: yeah

JG: they broke it somewhere
... haven't been able to fix the prob

RS: have2go

JG: will hopefully soon get stuff for [events?] working

JD: will help if you can e-mail me error

JG: pretty booked up today, booked on projects rn
... will use public test server

JD: still checking things

JG: will be good to discuss separation between MSAA and IA2
... only diff for testing is that I look at whether it gets the role from MSAA or IA2
... otherwise, querying no diff. Properties API queries both
... seems like things couldbe simplified
... Not for now tho

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