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It's not letting me in.
ANyone else already in?
<ebruchez> The Connect to Audio button is garyed out for me
<alain1> For me too...
damn
Let me try something else
just a moment
<ebruchez> calling in it says the access code is not coirrect
For me too
liam?
I can't join the meeting until the host joins, but I AM the host...
<ebruchez> how does WebEx know you are the host?
Usually there is a button to claim the host role
but I'm using the mobile app, and it doesn't have that button
before today I could just phone in
<ebruchez> I see a Reclaim Host Role menu in the desktop app
<ebruchez> it requires a Host key
it's 192124
<ebruchez> ok if I claim that it seems I can join the audio
Great. I'll try diallin in again
Still not valid.
Anyone else in?
<ebruchez> Phlip
<ebruchez> Philip is in
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2016Nov/0054
Steven: Please take a look, and send comments as necessary.
evaluation of function/result@value fails
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2016Oct/0012.html
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2016Nov/0093.html
Erik: It's simple, because in
XPath errors propagate
... I've treated both var and function results.
Steven: So in other words, we don 't produce a value, we just give an error
Erik: Yes
... We're doing the same as XPath basically
... Another problem
... what happens if the syntax of the function signature is
incorrect.
Erik: I am suggesting we do
something similar to how we treat missing functions in the
@functions attribute on model
... I'll add the error paragraph for @value, and I'll suggest
text for the signature
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2016Nov/0106.html
Steven: Are we ok with @value on message?
[general agreement]
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2016Nov/0112.html
Steven: Which would you prefer?
Erik: Be specific
<scribe> ACTION: Steven to tighten description of equivalent XML charactors for JSON serialisation [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2016/11/30-forms-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-2092 - Tighten description of equivalent xml charactors for json serialisation [on Steven Pemberton - due 2016-12-07].
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2016Nov/0111
Erik: So where would you like to
see the error?
... we can't set an alert on a repeat.
... so we set the constraint on the wish element
... so it shows up on the input for the wish
... but it wouldn't show up with minimum number of wishes
... I guess there's a bigger story.
... you could provide a 'dummy' control
Steven: Do we do alert on output?
Erik: WE do!
... let's check the spec
... yes output inludes help hint and alert
<scribe> ACTION: Steven to update constrain note, and change it to an example. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2016/11/30-forms-minutes.html#action02]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-2093 - Update constrain note, and change it to an example. [on Steven Pemberton - due 2016-12-07].
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2016Nov/0047.html
Erik: Focus can be tricky.
... but I think what you suggest is fine
... there is a recursive aspect
Alain: Looks OK for me.
... I'm not sure what we do now, but it's OK
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2016Nov/0073.html
Steven: In other words xforms-next would work in a similar way to setfocus
Erik: We don't implement this event
Steven: It would typically be bound to the tab key
Erik: THere's no example in the spec, I don't see the use case.
<scribe> ACTION: Produce example for xforms-next [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2016/11/30-forms-minutes.html#action03]
<trackbot> Error finding 'Produce'. You can review and register nicknames at <https://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/xforms/users>.
<scribe> ACTION: Steven to Produce example for xforms-next [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2016/11/30-forms-minutes.html#action04]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-2094 - Produce example for xforms-next [on Steven Pemberton - due 2016-12-07].
Erik: My problem is not why you need a nav order, just when would you use this event.
Steven: I'll try and produce some use cases
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2016Nov/0057.html
Steven: I think that "Any child bind elements are recursively processed as described in the
three points of this list."
is redundant
scribe: since the inner bind is already covered by the rules
<ebruchez> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2016Nov/0061.html
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2016Nov/0070.html
Steven: If you think it's fine as it is, then we leave it as is.
Alain: I agree with Erik
Steven: FIne, I was wrong.
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2016Nov/0067.html
Steven: It seems wasteful. I don;t know why we require this
Erik: We don't do it.
Alain: I don't know what we do
Steven: How about "events that change MUST be sent, others MAY be sent"
Erik: I think we should be
explicit about what may and may not be sent
... if the control should change state it should be dispatched
only in that case,
Alain: I'd agree with that.
Philip: Me too
<scribe> ACTION: Steven to tighten definition of which events get sent on value changed [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2016/11/30-forms-minutes.html#action05]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-2095 - Tighten definition of which events get sent on value changed [on Steven Pemberton - due 2016-12-07].
Erik: What happens when the control becomes relevant?
https://www.w3.org/community/xformsusers/wiki/XForms_2.0#Relevance
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