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<trackbot> Meeting: Social Web Working Group Teleconference
<trackbot> Date: 21 September 2016
Tantek Çelik, Mozilla, Social Web WG co-chair
<rhiaro> Amy Guy, W3C/MIT/University of Edinburgh
<sandro> Sandro Hawke, W3C/MIT (one of the Staff Contacts)
<astearns> Alan Stearns, Adobe Systems
<nandana> Nandana Mihindukulasooriya, UPM / ODI-Madrid
<KjetilK> Kjetil Kjernsmo, University of Oslo
<dka> Dan Appelquist; TAG co-chair; Samsung Browser Team; long-standing interested in getting the social web decentralized. Burgeoning interest in interplanetary web.
<lbolstad> Lars Erik Bolstad, Opera
<Roy> Roy McElmurry, Eng, Facebook
<newton> Newton Calegari, NIC.br
Micropub: https://www.w3.org/TR/micropub/
<Loqi> [Aaron Parecki] Micropub
Webmention: https://www.w3.org/TR/webmention/
<Loqi> [Aaron Parecki] Webmention
<Loqi> [@csarven] Will demo: https://www.w3.org/TR/ldn/ , https://solid.mit.edu/ , https://www.w3.org/annotation/ in https://dokie.li/ #TPAC2016 @SocialWebWG (http://twtr.io/1HFD4m8FeoH)
Activity Streams 2.0: https://www.w3.org/TR/activitystreams-core/
<Loqi> [James M Snell] Activity Streams 2.0
and Activity Vocabulary: https://www.w3.org/TR/activitystreams-vocabulary/
<Loqi> [James M Snell] Activity Vocabulary
ActivityPub: https://www.w3.org/TR/activitypub/
<Loqi> [Christopher Allan Webber] ActivityPub
<csarven> I'm http://csarven.ca/#i .. will demo Linked Data Notifications , Web Annotations, Solid + dokieli etc..
<sandro> torgo: Does this all use Activity Streams2
<sandro> cwebber2: Some of it does, but some bits use other formats, and AS2 is extensible
<Loqi> harry: elf-pavlik left you a message on 2015-08-25 at 10:15am UTC: we need host code to diall out from WebEx, could you please share it with sandro and chairs? thx! http://socialwg.indiewebcamp.com/irc/social/2015-08-25/line/1440522820835
<Loqi> harry: elf-pavlik left you a message on 2015-10-06 at 3:07am UTC: will you stay in Paris one of next days, I plan to stay around here for couple more days and we could meet up :) also http://www.xwiki.org team would like to discuss possibilities for interop
<harry> So basically why would I choose one method over another?
<rhiaro> https://www.w3.org/TR/social-web-protocols
<harry> And are any choices more tightly bound to other technologies?
<Loqi> [Amy Guy] Social Web Protocols
<harry> So essentially we have 3 sets of specs that do the same thing?
<AnnBass> Sandro: this group is moving forward with multiple specs
<rhiaro> harry: no, there are overlaps, they're not all 1-1
<harry> And are specs are at CR?
harry: Activity Streams, Micropub, ActivityPub are at CR
<AnnBass> AnnBass: recognizing that "social" interactions represent human interactions, which are varied and diverse
<harry> So can you can explain why you would chose one over another?
<sandro> yes, SWP does that
harry yes that's in the document: https://www.w3.org/TR/social-web-protocols
<Loqi> [Amy Guy] Social Web Protocols
<harry> In that document, it seems the main difference between the spec stacks if do you use 'microformats, JSON, or RDF'?
<AnnBass> Amy Guy (rhiaro): I wrote the Social Web Protocols document to explain the relationship between these specs
<harry> That's not a human interaction issue, that's a protocol standard issue.
harry - as rhiaro just said - they aren't separate stacks per se, but rather some work in combination, some overlap
<harry> But one would you chose one combination over another?
<harry> I don't believe my question was answered.
harry - yes the social web protocols document helps answer that
<harry> I've read that document and from my guess
<harry> it seems that there's no difference in the use-cases
<harry> The only difference seems to be a data format issue.
<harry> Or is there a use-case that one group of specs answers that another doesn't?
<sandro> Last I checked there's also an issue about whether the site needs to do more than serve static content.
<Zakim> aaronpk, you wanted to demo
<AnnBass> Dan Applequist: how does this group anticipate dealing with current problem of abuses in social media
<AnnBass> cwebber2: we are concerned; have talked about it; have a "block" activity built into Activity Streams, also used by Activity Pub
<Loqi> [Tantek Çelik] Post Type Discovery
<AnnBass> cwebber2: but that isn't enough; we need to do more research and effort on that topic. I hope we can continue on that work after this charter ends
<AnnBass> aaronpk: for example, Twitter has a lot of probs with this; I hope our efforts for decentralized tools will be more effective
<KevinMarks2> One partial answer is distributed verification
<aaronpk> Here's the JSON link of all the mentions of the webmention spec https://webmention.io/api/mentions?target=https://www.w3.org/TR/webmention/
<KevinMarks2> Using rel-me links to bind sites together to represent a person
<KevinMarks2> Vouch is a draft model to extend that to use following or previous mentions
<cwebber2> present~
<olivier> Olivier: what would you say to "hypothetical big organisations" which may not get or feel threatened by decentralised approaches - to get them interested?
Post Type Discovery: https://www.w3.org/TR/post-type-discovery/
<Loqi> [Tantek Çelik] Post Type Discovery
<cwebber2> I've been asked to put my answer to that previous question on irc
<dka> Too late for asking this but also interested in: these days a lot fo people are migrating to closed networks (a-la-slack) for group communications in part (I think) as a reaction to online “noise”/abuse on platforms like twitter and facebook, and seeking greater privacy. Can the federated approach also model these types of closed-group networks?
<cwebber2> so: I think large organizations have benefitted from email, the web, and other large technologies, and I think that not having the web continue to be a decentralized system is in veryone's benefit, large and small
<csarven> fabien_gandon: Yes
<csarven> Web Annotations (for most of the WA motivations), ActivityStreams in LDN
<timbl_> My answer to olivier -- it is possible that some silos will gravitate to trying to just dominate the client side, or the server side, of the new world, realizing that they can't be the whole world.
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