W3C

Internationalization Working Group Teleconference

05 May 2016

Agenda

See also: IRC log

Attendees

Present
Addison, Richard, David, JcK
Regrets
Felix, Steve
Chair
Addison Phillips
Scribe
Addison Phillips

Contents


Action Items

https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/open

action-511?

<trackbot> action-511 -- Richard Ishida to Check if discource for wicg can add notifier for an i18n label -- due 2016-05-05 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/511

sent email, no reply yet

action-512?

<trackbot> action-512 -- Richard Ishida to Send www-international an email about removing topic index and prepare new home page and other page mods as needed to support that -- due 2016-05-05 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/512

close action-512

<trackbot> Closed action-512.

action-513?

<trackbot> action-513 -- Richard Ishida to Raise an issue against html about default q-styling -- due 2016-05-05 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/513

close action-513

<trackbot> Closed action-513.

<r12a> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/124

Info Share

richard: new version of unicode-xml with disclaimer published

RADAR and Active Work Review

http://w3c.github.io/i18n-activity/radar/

richard: one issue raised

http://w3c.github.io/i18n-activity/projects/

<r12a> https://github.com/w3c/browser-payment-api/issues/53#issuecomment-215709951

richard: info share
... have found a way to put i18n tags on other peoples repos
... and make it so that when the label is applied to an issue we get notified
... and also when closed

<scribe> ... done for html wg

<scribe> ... done for some other wg

UNKNOWN_SPEAKER: might be payments

<scribe> ... in process of doing for annotation people

UNKNOWN_SPEAKER: negotiated with ivan an hour or so ago
... have a way for all groups going forward

requirements dev

richard: some talk with swaran
... trying to get more content/community involvement
... should watch summary of issues
... quite a lot of html issues now
... a lot from chaals
... also looked through issue list

<r12a> http://w3c.github.io/i18n-activity/reviews/

richard: vote on publishing ruby markup?

addison: any comments?

richard: a couple of very small things, easily fixed
... none from fantasai and koji
... ping before publising?

addison: all in favor of publishing "ruby markup" (link below)?

<r12a> http://w3c.github.io/i18n-drafts/articles/ruby/markup.en.html

<David> +1

+1

<r12a> +1

<JcK> +1

addison: so approved

<scribe> ACTION: richard: publish ruby markup article after pinging fantasai and koji [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2016/05/05-i18n-minutes.html#action01]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-514 - Publish ruby markup article after pinging fantasai and koji [on Richard Ishida - due 2016-05-12].

topic index findings and next steps

richard: spent time trying diff strategies for keeping by more efficient
... like putting keywords in meta
... but search is much more useful
... finds stuff I can't keyword
... and stays up to date
... propose to replace with a big search box

addison: just searches International/

richard: yes

<scribe> ACTION: richard: replace topic index with a giant search box [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2016/05/05-i18n-minutes.html#action02]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-515 - Replace topic index with a giant search box [on Richard Ishida - due 2016-05-12].

Definition of whitespace

richard: sent note to steven p asking what he intended to do with it

https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2016Apr/0027.html

talk about this next week

HTML issues

addison: triage wontfixed bugzilla items in case any action is needed?

<scribe> ACTION: addison: triage wontfixed bugzilla items in case any action is needed? [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2016/05/05-i18n-minutes.html#action03]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-516 - Triage wontfixed bugzilla items in case any action is needed? [on Addison Phillips - due 2016-05-12].

<scribe> ACTION: addison: remind working group to review HTML items in http://w3c.github.io/i18n-activity/reviews/ for next call [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2016/05/05-i18n-minutes.html#action04]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-517 - Remind working group to review html items in http://w3c.github.io/i18n-activity/reviews/ for next call [on Addison Phillips - due 2016-05-12].

<r12a> http://w3c.github.io/i18n-activity/reviews/#html

review comments on web annotation drafts

<r12a> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2016Apr/0045.html

richard: first one is about reference to IRI
... they refer to URL or IRI
... what should be calling these? URL?

addison: and which spec

richard: no harm done?

investigate whether they spec needs to dirty its hands with serializing to the wire

am-2) Reference to BCP47 See https://www.w3.org/TR/2016/WD-annotation-model-20160331/#bodies-and-targets <https://www.w3.org/TR/2016/WD-annotation-model-20160331/#bodies-and-targets> "The Body or Target SHOULD have exactly 1 language associated with it, but MAY have 0 or more. The value of the property SHOULD be a language code following the [rfc5646 <https://www.w3.org/TR/2016/WD-annotation-model-20160331/#bib-rfc5646>] specifiction.“ Shouldn’t this [CUT]

yes, BCP47

potentially raise issue about 0 or more

0 or 1 unless they mean to have a language priority list

am-3) Definition of character See https://www.w3.org/TR/2016/WD-annotation-model-20160331/#embedded-textual-body <https://www.w3.org/TR/2016/WD-annotation-model-20160331/#embedded-textual-body> "The character sequence of the content of the Textual Body.“: this text and the whole document is missing a definition of a character.

richard: word character used a lot
... charmod says to define
... one their issues

define character probably as code point

am-4) Counting of characters See https://www.w3.org/TR/2016/WD-annotation-model-20160331/#fragment-selector <https://www.w3.org/TR/2016/WD-annotation-model-20160331/#fragment-selector> A question is whether Is it possible for the plain text selector to specify the normalization form, to understand what is being counted. One resolution may be to say in reference to comment 3) that a character is always a unicode character in NFC. The same comment applies t[CUT]

want to count the code points in the *not* normalized file

probably related to our work with find text

want grapheme boundaries (for some def of grapheme??)

richard: want normalization for some other operations possibly

addison: for matching and such

am-5) Text quote selectors and mixed scripts See https://www.w3.org/TR/2016/WD-annotation-model-20160331/#text-quote-selector <https://www.w3.org/TR/2016/WD-annotation-model-20160331/#text-quote-selector> Is there a need to specific what happens with mixed scripts, or at least require testing of text quote with mixed scripts?

not sure what this is

ap-1) General comment on annotation retrieval https://www.w3.org/TR/2016/WD-annotation-protocol-20160331/#annotation-retrieval The section says „If more than one representation of the Annotation is available, then the server SHOULD support content negotiation." Creators of annotations are missing guidance whether annotations in different languages should be provided via content negotiation or whether it is recommended to have variation in language speci[CUT]

needs further study

richard: one other think about normalization
... when they say it, they mean stripping html and other such stuff
... we need to be careful to be explicit about what we mean
... when we use the "normalization" word

<scribe> ACTION: felix: submit approved issues to web-annotations after speaking to richard about the discussion [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2016/05/05-i18n-minutes.html#action05]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-518 - Submit approved issues to web-annotations after speaking to richard about the discussion [on Felix Sasaki - due 2016-05-12].

AOB?

Summary of Action Items

[NEW] ACTION: addison: remind working group to review HTML items in http://w3c.github.io/i18n-activity/reviews/ for next call [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2016/05/05-i18n-minutes.html#action04]
[NEW] ACTION: addison: triage wontfixed bugzilla items in case any action is needed? [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2016/05/05-i18n-minutes.html#action03]
[NEW] ACTION: felix: submit approved issues to web-annotations after speaking to richard about the discussion [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2016/05/05-i18n-minutes.html#action05]
[NEW] ACTION: richard: publish ruby markup article after pinging fantasai and koji [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2016/05/05-i18n-minutes.html#action01]
[NEW] ACTION: richard: replace topic index with a giant search box [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2016/05/05-i18n-minutes.html#action02]
 

Summary of Resolutions

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