See also: IRC log
http://www.cwi.nl/~steven/Talks/2016/02-12-prague/
Steven: I think ixml may turn out to be useful for XForms. There were two people who had implementations at Prague.
(Search for Invisible XML).
Steven: There was also a new Saxon
Alain: XSLT in Javascript
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2016Feb/0021.html
Steven: I think this is fine
<scribe> ACTION: Erik to change all xsd: to xs: [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2016/02/17-forms-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-2050 - Change all xsd: to xs: [on Erik Bruchez - due 2016-02-24].
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2016Feb/0016.html
Steven: What are we going to do about this?
Erik: The incremental issue is interesting
Steven: Yes, it could mean you type a space, and the system immediately removes it
Erik: I agree that it would be
bad user experience if the field started shifting around during
tying; maybe doing this after moving out of the focus is
better
... You mentioned spaces in credit card numbers, and I think it
is related.
... I think forms should do more for you not less.
Steven: Alain suggested using datatypes to declare this
Erik: I'm not sure yet what I
think of this.
... certainly the expectation of a 'required' field is that it
isn't just spaces.
... that really ought to be the default
Alain: If it's a datatype, it is
always valdated according to its type, and not whether it is
required or not.
... maybe a data type that says spaces only is invalid. But I'm
not sure it is an easy problem.
... it is not really about validating, but more like
reformatting data according to its type
Erik: The controls could do the
work, rather than having it at the model level
... I am not suggesting we adopt the solutions, but we should
look at it.
... HTML Forms are terrible in this respect as well.
... It would be good to have a solution though.
Steven: http://books.xmlschemata.org/relaxng/ch19-77319.html
... xsd:token
... that does white space collapsing
... may be a bit more than we want
Erik: Differing XML specs do
different things.
... Java does different things too
Steven: http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/category/index.htm
... spaces: http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/category/Zs/list.htm
... What should we do with this issue?
Alain: Ask for user
feedback
... and a type
Erik: I could see how the type would validate
Steven: So if the string only consisted of spaces, it wouldn't validate?
Alain: Yes.
<scribe> ACTION: Alain to experiment with a type for non-space string, and report back [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2016/02/17-forms-minutes.html#action02]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-2051 - Experiment with a type for non-space string, and report back [on Alain Couthures - due 2016-02-24].
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2016Feb/0024.html
Steven: Is this the only remaining exception?
Erik: This and compute-exception
Steven: This is two issues 1)
should we have the link-exception, and 2) should we have @src
on <action>
... I have no strong feelings about @src on <action>
Erik: If that is a shared sentiment, then let's just remove it.
Steven: Any objections?
[None]
<scribe> ACTION: Erik to remove @src from <action> [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2016/02/17-forms-minutes.html#action03]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-2052 - Remove @src from <action> [on Erik Bruchez - due 2016-02-24].
Steven: Do we want to address the exception issue?
Erik: I think we can do something
about it
... we load the empty instance as it were
Steven: And then generate an event rather than an exception?
Erik: Yes
... We need to work out what is the data model if there is no
instance
Steven: I will give you an action
<scribe> ACTION: Erik to work out how to replace link-exception [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2016/02/17-forms-minutes.html#action04]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-2053 - Work out how to replace link-exception [on Erik Bruchez - due 2016-02-24].
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