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XForms Users Community Group Teleconference

17 Feb 2016

Agenda

See also: IRC log

Attendees

Present
Steven, Alain, Philip, Erik
Regrets
Mark(possibly)
Chair
Steven
Scribe
Steven

Contents


XML Prague and ixml

http://www.cwi.nl/~steven/Talks/2016/02-12-prague/

Steven: I think ixml may turn out to be useful for XForms. There were two people who had implementations at Prague.

(Search for Invisible XML).

Steven: There was also a new Saxon

Alain: XSLT in Javascript

Prefixes: xs vs. xsd

https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2016Feb/0021.html

Steven: I think this is fine

<scribe> ACTION: Erik to change all xsd: to xs: [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2016/02/17-forms-minutes.html#action01]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-2050 - Change all xsd: to xs: [on Erik Bruchez - due 2016-02-24].

Whitespace processing during recalculate

https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2016Feb/0016.html

Steven: What are we going to do about this?

Erik: The incremental issue is interesting

Steven: Yes, it could mean you type a space, and the system immediately removes it

Erik: I agree that it would be bad user experience if the field started shifting around during tying; maybe doing this after moving out of the focus is better
... You mentioned spaces in credit card numbers, and I think it is related.
... I think forms should do more for you not less.

Steven: Alain suggested using datatypes to declare this

Erik: I'm not sure yet what I think of this.
... certainly the expectation of a 'required' field is that it isn't just spaces.
... that really ought to be the default

Alain: If it's a datatype, it is always valdated according to its type, and not whether it is required or not.
... maybe a data type that says spaces only is invalid. But I'm not sure it is an easy problem.
... it is not really about validating, but more like reformatting data according to its type

Erik: The controls could do the work, rather than having it at the model level
... I am not suggesting we adopt the solutions, but we should look at it.
... HTML Forms are terrible in this respect as well.
... It would be good to have a solution though.

Steven: http://books.xmlschemata.org/relaxng/ch19-77319.html
... xsd:token
... that does white space collapsing
... may be a bit more than we want

Erik: Differing XML specs do different things.
... Java does different things too

Steven: http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/category/index.htm
... spaces: http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/category/Zs/list.htm
... What should we do with this issue?

Alain: Ask for user feedback
... and a type

Erik: I could see how the type would validate

Steven: So if the string only consisted of spaces, it wouldn't validate?

Alain: Yes.

<scribe> ACTION: Alain to experiment with a type for non-space string, and report back [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2016/02/17-forms-minutes.html#action02]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-2051 - Experiment with a type for non-space string, and report back [on Alain Couthures - due 2016-02-24].

xforms-link-exception and scripts

https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2016Feb/0024.html

Steven: Is this the only remaining exception?

Erik: This and compute-exception

Steven: This is two issues 1) should we have the link-exception, and 2) should we have @src on <action>
... I have no strong feelings about @src on <action>

Erik: If that is a shared sentiment, then let's just remove it.

Steven: Any objections?

[None]

<scribe> ACTION: Erik to remove @src from <action> [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2016/02/17-forms-minutes.html#action03]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-2052 - Remove @src from <action> [on Erik Bruchez - due 2016-02-24].

Steven: Do we want to address the exception issue?

Erik: I think we can do something about it
... we load the empty instance as it were

Steven: And then generate an event rather than an exception?

Erik: Yes
... We need to work out what is the data model if there is no instance

Steven: I will give you an action

<scribe> ACTION: Erik to work out how to replace link-exception [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2016/02/17-forms-minutes.html#action04]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-2053 - Work out how to replace link-exception [on Erik Bruchez - due 2016-02-24].

AOB

[None]

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Summary of Action Items

[NEW] ACTION: Alain to experiment with a type for non-space string, and report back [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2016/02/17-forms-minutes.html#action02]
[NEW] ACTION: Erik to change all xsd: to xs: [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2016/02/17-forms-minutes.html#action01]
[NEW] ACTION: Erik to remove @src from <action> [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2016/02/17-forms-minutes.html#action03]
[NEW] ACTION: Erik to work out how to replace link-exception [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2016/02/17-forms-minutes.html#action04]
 

Summary of Resolutions

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