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<jemma_ku> hi
<jemma_ku> can I get meeting pw?
<jemma_ku> I understand and it is easy pw
<mck> test
<scribe> scribe: MichielBijl
MK: Have edited the first column
of the status table
... dialog modal isn't quite ready
... put Jon's name in the edit column for landmarks
... those are the changes that have been made recently
... any takers for menu/menubutton?
JG: me and Jemma can take that
AA: I can help with landmarks.
JN: Jon and Jemma, you still have radio/checkbox group to do.
MK: agenda item for larger
topic
... where do we put stuff in the guide related to non
interactive widgets
... there may be design patterns like landmarks, but not have
them limited to interactive role
... or have a separate section for them
... do you want us to look at your example content first
Jon?
... did you do some writing at that link?
JG: started to write some stuff.
But looked at overall structure. Need to talk about.
... right now there is a landmark section
... I think we should have a section for non-interactive
widgets.
... we have a lot of them: map, list, etc
... help developers find them easier
MK: do we want an index section
of the document?
... if we have that in our guide, it would be easier for people
who are using it to use it as a reference
... why would you separate interactive and non-interactive,
what about cases where it's not clear?
JG: have a section for landmark
roles
... me and Ann will propose a solution/example and we'll take
it from there
<annabbott> Jon & Ann: landmarks on Dec 14 agenda
MK: I'll merge after the call
https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/apg_menuPattern/practices/aria-practices.html#menu
<jemma_ku> https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/apg_menuPattern/practices/aria-practices.html#h-menu
MK: removed references to desktop applications
https://github.com/w3c/aria/compare/apg_menuPattern
MK: made keyboard section shorter and added notes to clarify
JN: don't want to add links to everything
AA: remove the link on menu button?
JN: no, links to separate section
MK: interested to know if the
keyboard section is an improvement
... the other thing I tried to do is be consistent if we talk
about keys
JN: would you tab to a
container?
... why not?
... you would tab to it.
MK: you would tab to an element
that activates a menu
... if you put on menubar you could tab to a container
JN: I have a question about
up/down arrow
... you wouldn't use up/down for first/last if it is
vertical
MK: you could
... on the wrapping behaviour
... do we want to enforce it or make it optional
... really like to encourage this
<Birkir> This is highly desirable for large menus (arbitrarily saying 8 menus or more), but for small menus with few items, it is less important.
JN: why do we want this
<Birkir> I'd vote for "optional but nice", to use my invented technical term.
MK: *long story* it's easier if
you go through a menu and make up your mind if you're on the
last item
... you can just wrap to the first item
AA: so make wrapping optional?
MK: main bug in menu button, don't duplicate anything that is in menu
<jemma_ku> Thanks, Michiel. I sent you an email.
<jemma_ku> I have another meeting in 7 min
MK: thank you all, great feedback
AA: I'm seeing a bunch of other variations on setting properties.
BG: are you removing quotes?
MK: removing quotes and add “to“
MB: I like having the quotes, makes it easier
MK: we don't have it consistently.
MB: maybe later
NOTE: covered in previous discussion
<jemma_ku> take up item agenda 5
<mck> https://rawgit.com/a11ydoer/practices/master/examples/checkbox/checkbox-3.html
MK: semantics typo in first sentence
JK: I'll fix it
MK: third bullet “This set of
example” should be “This set of examples”
... how come there are square brackets around
role=checkbox?
MB: only makes sense if you're talking about CSS selectors; which we are not
<jemma_ku> michiel, we don't hear you
<jemma_ku> you are on mute
<mck> One way to write it: The <code>div</code> element with role <code>checkbox</code>
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