<janina> https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/f18bba4c6c569e507d6c62096d3b41263e67887c/html-aam/html-aam.html

<janina> scribe:

<fesch> scribe: Janina

Next week´s meeting

<scribe> scribe: janina

mc: No meeting this coming Thursday, 26 November, because of U.S. Turkey Day!

Issues & Actions

issue-504?

<trackbot> issue-504 -- radio shouldn't have aria-selected -- open

<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/504

mc: believe it's done

clown: core-aam?

jd: I checked

RESOLUTION: Close Issue-504

<MichaelC> close issue-504

<trackbot> Closed issue-504.

action-1736?

<trackbot> action-1736 -- James Nurthen to Create an attribute to indicate a button is the primary button -- due 2015-10-19 -- OPEN

<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1736

jn: discussed at tpac

<clown> issue-624?

<trackbot> issue-624 -- Primary Action Concept -- raised

<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/624

jn: I'm to finish a proposal
... Yet to do that, though

mc: so, still pending

<MichaelC> trackbot, associate issue-624 with action-1736

<trackbot> action-1736 (Create an attribute to indicate a button is the primary button) associated with issue-624.

[general concern that Leonie had concerns about this]

<jamesn> it is in here http://www.w3.org/2015/10/26-aria-minutes.html

<clown> specifically: http://www.w3.org/2015/10/26-aria-minutes.html#item03

mc: Weneed to know whether Leonie's concern was on behalf of Web Platforms WG

jn: She wasn't in the room when we discussed at TPAC

action-1688?

<trackbot> action-1688 -- James Nurthen to Draft proposal for aria-interactive -- due 2015-09-23 -- OPEN

<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1688

mc: Rich is asking whether we can close this?

jn: Think it's too late to do anything meaningful with this right now
... Unless we allow ARIA-Activedescendent on on role of application

clown: so application has children

jn: could be, no?
... a chart, with focusable elements in SVG

clown: OK

jd: Also fits with Matt's recent additions

jn: currently works, but is a conformance error

<clown> https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/aria/aria.html#aria-activedescendant

mc: suggest closing, and raise new action to raise the proposed resolution

jd: on me, please

<MichaelC> action-1688: seems there isn´t support for this approach; instead, adding aria-activedescendant to application seems acceptable

<trackbot> Notes added to action-1688 Draft proposal for aria-interactive.

<MichaelC> close action-1688

<trackbot> Closed action-1688.

<MichaelC> ACTION: joanie to put aria-activedescendant on application and request WG review [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/11/19-aria-minutes.html#action01]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-1743 - Put aria-activedescendant on application and request wg review [on Joanmarie Diggs - due 2015-11-26].

RESOLUTION: put Activedescendent on role application -- needs confirmation

[matt has joined the call, so we're rehashing the above]

<MichaelC> trackbot, associate action-1743 with product-17

<trackbot> action-1743 (Put aria-activedescendant on application and request wg review) associated with product-17.

<clown> <application><group aria-activedescendant="foo"> … </group></application> (JamesN's current situation).

mk: app has no subclasses ...
... see no downsides

<clown> proposal: <application aria-activedescendant="foo"> … </application>

<MichaelC> action-1743: this is a spin-off from action-1688 whose approach we decided not to pursue

<trackbot> Notes added to action-1743 Put aria-activedescendant on application and request wg review.

[discussion on implication for aapis]

<clown> http://w3c.github.io/aria/core-aam/core-aam.html#include_elements

mk: hard for browser to conform to 5.2.1 in mapping

jn: yes

mk: concerned will have focus, but might not have role and label, so what then?
... without an implicit

jn: should be an authoring error

<clown> http://w3c.github.io/aria/aria/aria.html#aria-activedescendant (see 3rd paragraph)

fe: in svg we have explicit requirements on what's put into the tree

<MichaelC> issue-633?

<trackbot> issue-633 -- listbox and tree may contain only static items; badly need interactive widgets that can contain interactive typed items -- closed

<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/633

mk: would like to see language somewhere that makes it clear elements referred to by activedescendent, if not in a context with required or implicit semantics, that authors must provide role and label

<MichaelC> action-1743: work with Matt to make it clear elements referred to by aria-activedescendant have a clear context

<trackbot> Notes added to action-1743 Put aria-activedescendant on application and request wg review.

mc: suggest we do issue triage ...

issue-411?

<trackbot> issue-411 -- Consider aria-description which would take a string like aria-label -- open

<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/411

mc: more than 4 years old, obe?

mk: another feature takes care of this?
... allows a string attribute ...

mc: not part of recent description discussions -- we're looking for a single solution that meets all use cases
... suggest we don't meet this in 1.1. Could move to 2.0

mk: suggest 2.0
... thinking of specific kinds of help, e.g. for keyboard

mc: we have keyboard-shortcuts help
... notes we intend next published draft will be CR and soon
... suggest best with this at this time is 2.0

<joanie> +1 to keeping it open, but for 2.0 so as not to make things messy

mk: OK

<MichaelC> trackbot, associate issue-411 with product-2

<trackbot> issue-411 (Consider aria-description which would take a string like aria-label) associated with product-2.

issue-427?

<trackbot> issue-427 -- Need a way for application to find out what role has been applied to or computed for an element -- open

<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/427

mc: also a 4-year old issue

clown: alex's new api

fe: also wapa

mc: close? Saying wapa?

[agreement]

<MichaelC> issue-427: WAPA proposal would meet this requirement

<trackbot> Notes added to issue-427 Need a way for application to find out what role has been applied to or computed for an element.

<MichaelC> close issue-427

<trackbot> Closed issue-427.

RESOLUTION: Close issue-427 as overcome by WAPA

issue-497?

<trackbot> issue-497 -- When features require an element with a particular role be present (e.g., grid requires that gridcell be owned by row), implicit native semantics, if defined, count (e.g., tr without a role attribute counts as an element with role row) -- open

<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/497

jn: think this is now covered

mk: was an exception ... but not verified

<joanie> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pfwg/2015Nov/0141.html

mc: Possible we need a newer, more explicit issue, but think this issue should close

RESOLUTION: Close Issue-497 and see how things go

<MichaelC> close issue-497

<trackbot> Closed issue-497.

issue-504?

<trackbot> issue-504 -- radio shouldn't have aria-selected -- closed

<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/504

jd: Already closed this

mc: oops

issue-526?

<trackbot> issue-526 -- Allow non-global states and properties to be used without an explicit ARIA role, when the element has an implict ARIA semantic corresponding to an appropriate role - ARIA 1.1 -- open

<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/526

mc: Hmm, this is "see how it goes" ...

jn: Isn't this now allowed?

mk: don't think so

<clown> action-1405?

<trackbot> action-1405 -- Joanmarie Diggs to For issue-526 modify spec. to allow non-global attrs to apply to host language elements having the correct aria semantics -- due 2015-06-25 -- CLOSED

<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1405

<jamesn> I want to make sure i don't have to write <button role="button" aria-pressed="true">

<joanie> From my statement in the ACTION: "However, authors must only use non-global states and properties on elements with a role supporting the state or property; either defined as an explicit WAI-ARIA role, **or as defined by the host language semantic matching an appropriate WAI-ARIA role**."(emphasis added)

mc: Perhaps we keep open and action someone for a proposal

[group noting JD's quote from the spec above]

mc: Looking at today's pub ...
... Still in the text ...
... so we can close?

RESOLUTION: Close issue-526 as completed

<clown> +1

<MichaelC> close issue-526

<trackbot> Closed issue-526.

<jamesn> +1

<MichaelC> issue-526: met by text is spec "However, authors must only use non-global states and properties on elements with a role supporting the state or property; either defined as an explicit WAI-ARIA role, **or as defined by the host language semantic matching an appropriate WAI-ARIA role**."(emphasis added)

<trackbot> Notes added to issue-526 Allow non-global states and properties to be used without an explicit ARIA role, when the element has an implict ARIA semantic corresponding to an appropriate role - ARIA 1.1.

mk: asking whewhy more grid changes weren't forthcoming ...

jd: see above uri ... looking ....

<joanie> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pfwg/2015Nov/0141.html

mc: so awaiting further discussion

<joanie> action-1725

<trackbot> action-1725 -- Joanmarie Diggs to Create a proposal for an article feed -- due 2015-09-17 -- PENDINGREVIEW

<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1725

action-1725?

<trackbot> action-1725 -- Joanmarie Diggs to Create a proposal for an article feed -- due 2015-09-17 -- PENDINGREVIEW

<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1725

<MichaelC> Rich: Need further discussion on action 1725 related to list post https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pfwg/2015Nov/0141.html

issue-561?

<trackbot> issue-561 -- We need @aria-placeholder as backup for @placeholder in custom fields. -- open

<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/561

jd: done

<MichaelC> close issue-561

<trackbot> Closed issue-561.

RESOLUTION: Close issue-561 as done

clown: already has mappings!!

issue-610?

<trackbot> issue-610 -- Comboboxes should allow complex children elements -- open

<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/610

mk: on my list, want to do this for 1.1, and could be a simple change ...

mc: Action on James, reassign?

mk: I'm hot for this one!

issue-619?

<trackbot> issue-619 -- ARIA 1.1 should disallow host languages from declaring @aria-label from being declared in direct semantic conflict with a host language attribute. -- open

<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/619

mc: Huh?
... OK, have action and I'll get to it

issue-639?

<trackbot> issue-639 -- Making key events work automatically on focusable elements matching certain roles (e.g. button, link, checkbox), that have click event handlers -- open

<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/639

mc: Is this an ARIA issue?

clown: If role=button browser auto makes space work????

jd: seems hard to implement in a performant fashion
... Chaas interested in this

RESOLUTION: Move to 2.0 so we can discuss again, but may not really be an ARIA issue

issue-641?

<trackbot> issue-641 -- Abstract role section allows nameFrom content, and some subclassed roles under section do not allow nameFrom:contents (even definition, img, and math, which seems like they should) -- open

<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/641

mk: we were concerned whether inheritance issues ...

mc: suggest an action to implement simply ... may not even need confirmation
... JD can raise issues if needed?

jn: worth 1.1 time?

mc: it is cleanups

<MichaelC> ACTION: joanie to implement edits proposed in issue-641, raise to group if any subsantive changes come out [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/11/19-aria-minutes.html#action02]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-1744 - Implement edits proposed in issue-641, raise to group if any subsantive changes come out [on Joanmarie Diggs - due 2015-11-26].

<MichaelC> trackbot, associate action-1744 with issue-641

<trackbot> action-1744 (Implement edits proposed in issue-641, raise to group if any subsantive changes come out) associated with issue-641.

RESOLUTION: See action-1744

issue-648?

<trackbot> issue-648 -- Role computation with native host language semantics -- open

<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/648

jd: looks like a dup

mc: yes
... suggest we wait for rich

[agreement]

issue-680?

<trackbot> issue-680 -- Create a new glossary definition called "Value of a Control". That has the following proposed definition. -- open

<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/680

clown: did, diss'd

<MichaelC> issue-680: glossary definition was created, implemented, not liked, removed, so closing

<trackbot> Notes added to issue-680 Create a new glossary definition called "Value of a Control". That has the following proposed definition..

RESOLUTION: Close issue-680 is done, and dumped

<MichaelC> close issue-680

<trackbot> Closed issue-680.

issue-682?

<trackbot> issue-682 -- Clarify what happens to required owned childrens' roles when native host language parent is overridden with a WAI-ARIA role. -- open

<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/682

clown: believe this has been dealt with

mk: when is this an issue?

jd: believe belongs in mapping spec
... agree with issue

mc? so implementation guide for 1.1?

<MichaelC> ACTION: clown to make a proposal to address issue-682 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/11/19-aria-minutes.html#action03]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-1745 - Make a proposal to address issue-682 [on Joseph Scheuhammer - due 2015-11-26].

<MichaelC> trackbot, associate action-1745 with issue-682

<trackbot> action-1745 (Make a proposal to address issue-682) associated with issue-682.

RESOLUTION Move issue-682 to product 1.1 implementation guide; create action for clown to address

mc: we're at the hour, and we've handled about half of the open issues! Excellent

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