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<trackbot> Date: 11 November 2015
<kerry> scribe: clemens
<kerry> scribenick: ClemensPortele
http://www.w3.org/2015/10/25-sdw-minutes
http://www.w3.org/2015/10/26-sdw-minutes
<kerry> +1
<Linda> +1
<Payam> +1
<BartvanLeeuwen> +1
<KJanowicz> +1
kerry: approving minutes...
<LarsG> 0 (wasn't there...)
kerry: minutes approved
<kerry> https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/Patent_Call
(nothing declared)
<frans> I think we just approved the sapporo minutes but not the minutes last weeks meeting?
<eparsons> +1
<kerry> http://www.w3.org/2015/10/26-sdw-minutes
<BartvanLeeuwen> +1
<kerry> http://www.w3.org/2015/10/25-sdw-minutes
<Linda> +1
<eparsons> Proposed : Approve F2F Meeting Minutues
<kerry> +1
<BartvanLeeuwen> +1
<KJanowicz> +1
<eparsons> Approved : Approve F2F Meeting Minutes
kerry: asks for volunteers
<KJanowicz> Happy to help editing the SSN
kerry: contact Kerry or Ed, if
you are interested
... there is interest already, but please come forward, if you
are interested
kerry: goal is clean up and new
public draft
... ...then OGC and W3C processes
... ...should take roughly 9 days to get them through both
organisations
... ...reminder this is not the final version, but should
become more and more stable
BartvanLeeuwen: is there room for new use cases?
frans: yes, until the document is final there is room, but the sooner the better
BartvanLeeuwen: hopes to have it
before the end of the year, so probably after the 2nd PWD
... it is already recorded as an action (ACTION-89?)
kerry: match the use case and the products
frans: tracker has matches, some
issues are still open - with a discussion thread
... proposing to shift responsibility for resolving from UCR
editors to the editors of the other deliverables
<frans> ISSUE-15: time
<trackbot> Notes added to ISSUE-15 Time req. not clear - represent past, present and future.
<frans> ISSUE-18: coverage
<frans> ISSUE-19: coverage
<frans> ISSUE-20: SSN
<trackbot> Notes added to ISSUE-18 Model Reuse.
<trackbot> Notes added to ISSUE-19 Multiple types of coverage requirement.
<trackbot> Notes added to ISSUE-20 Reference external vocabularies.
<frans> ISSUE-23: BP
<frans> ISSUE-24: SSN
<trackbot> Notes added to ISSUE-23 phrasing of the spatial operators requirement.
<trackbot> Notes added to ISSUE-24 clarification of lightweight APIs requirement.
<frans> ISSUE-26: time
<trackbot> Notes added to ISSUE-26 clarification of temporal vagueness requirement.
frans: ... these editors need to look at the use cases anyhow
<frans> ISSUE-28: BP
<trackbot> Notes added to ISSUE-28 That a default crs is a requirement.
<frans> ISSUE-29: BP
<trackbot> Notes added to ISSUE-29 Add a requirement for linking geometry to CRS.
<frans> ISSUE-30: BP
<trackbot> Notes added to ISSUE-30 UCR: missing requirement -- local/contextual spatial references.
frans: any comments on the proposal?
eparsons: a sensible way forward
frans: we could create actions for each deliverable / issue pair
kerry: sounds good
<scribe> ACTION: frans to create actions that matches UCR issues and deliverables [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/11/11-sdw-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-93 - Create actions that matches ucr issues and deliverables [on Frans Knibbe - due 2015-11-18].
<eparsons> Thank you Frans !!!
kerry: anything else for UCR, frans?
frans: join the discussions
<kerry> http://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/track/issues/16
frans: special attention on ISSUE-16, is not related to a particular deliverable
<phila> issue-16?
<trackbot> issue-16 -- Time req. out of scope - Valid time -- open
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/track/issues/16
frans: should we discuss now?
<BartvanLeeuwen> +1
frans: problematic without Simon etc
(agreement to move to next week)
kerry: follow the list and let's try to get to a conclusion next week
<kerry> BP: Expanding best practice topics
kerry: not much time until 9 December
Linda: in Sapporo most of the
meeting was spent on BP
... ...discussion on narratives, took notes during
discussion
... ...currently post-processing the notes to prepare topics
that other could provide content or examples
<Linda> http://w3c.github.io/sdw/bp/#bp-linking
Linda: linking data is the first topic
<Linda> - How to make the links within a dataset discoverable
Linda: anyone who could provide input how to create good links, get the right granularity, etc?
BartvanLeeuwen: is working on a
demo for bridging WFS and linked data
... Is that something that is relevant for this topic?
Linda: Yes
<BartvanLeeuwen> +1
<kerry> ACTION: bart to write about make the links within the dataset discoverable [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/11/11-sdw-minutes.html#action02]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-94 - Write about make the links within the dataset discoverable [on Bart van Leeuwen - due 2015-11-18].
<KJanowicz> Bart: wrt WFS and Linked Data, see http://carsten.io/jones-kuhn-kessler-scheider-agile2014.pdf (and other implementations)
kerry: clarification about the process? email ok or change Github directly?
Linda: Both fine, as long as we get the content
frans: what kind of links? all links or spatial links?
Linda: not specified, but should be related to spatial aspects, eg also links into spatial datasets
eparsons: could be linking to a thing or the spatial representation, there may be a difference
<BartvanLeeuwen> http://w3c.github.io/sdw/bp/#h-bp-clear-semantics
<phila> Yes, it was Linksets
<KJanowicz> +1
BartvanLeeuwen: need to clarify what's in scope, what's spatial
<BartvanLeeuwen> +1
<AndreaPerego> +1
eparsons: need to clarify that something without a geometry may be considered spatial and within scope of our work
<kerry> ACTION: linda to add to scope and link data section -- comment o spatail data without a geometry is in scope here [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/11/11-sdw-minutes.html#action03]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-95 - Add to scope and link data section -- comment o spatail data without a geometry is in scope here [on Linda van den Brink - due 2015-11-18].
Linda: will add this to the BP
frans: where one is coming from
will influence how that topic is understood
... ...different audiences may require a different wording
<kerry> +1 to serve both groups of readers in same doc
Linda: not clear yet how to address this
<BartvanLeeuwen> +1 for one document
<eparsons> +1 to serve both may need to be more explicit as a result..
<Zakim> phila, you wanted to say reduce your assumptions
phila: agrees with frans
... one document, we just need to be clear and make no
assumptions about prior knowledge
<frans> Or: make liberal use of the ability to link to definitions
<phila> <abbr title="World Wide Web Consortium">W3C</abbr>
phila: maybe use abbr mechanism in more cases
kerry: this is about more than
just acronyms
... need to think how to present the different viewpoints,
likely after 9 December
<Linda> - Making your spatial data more useful by including links to wellknown spatial resources (things like GeoNames, Wiki/dbPedia, OSM etc)
Linda: any volunteers for this topic?
billroberts: I can have a go at that
<kerry> ACTION: billroberts to write on make the links within the dataset discoverable [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/11/11-sdw-minutes.html#action04]
<trackbot> Error finding 'billroberts'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/track/users>.
<kerry> actio
<Linda> - Example of how you could link to a particular version of a thing
<phila> ACTION: roberts to write on make the links within the dataset discoverable [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/11/11-sdw-minutes.html#action05]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-96 - Write on make the links within the dataset discoverable [on Bill Roberts - due 2015-11-18].
Linda: any volunteers for this topic? in particular an example...
<BartvanLeeuwen> +q
frans: what is the spatial aspect?
eparsons: not particularly spatial, but occurs often with spatial data
frans: I experienced it more as a temporal than a spatial problem
<Zakim> phila, you wanted to talk about Annette Grainier
phila: discussed with DWBP group
whether that group has subsetting use case that is not
spatial
... will follow up on this to clarify relationship between
groups
<kerry> ACTION: phila to work on subsetting links [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/11/11-sdw-minutes.html#action06]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-97 - Work on subsetting links [on Phil Archer - due 2015-11-18].
kerry: there is a topic in the DWBP, but high level - we probably need to go deeper
phila: either provide DWBP with better text or we add it in our own
kerry: probably in our own for now
billroberts: versioning should be in scope, but reference elsewhere and put it in a "spatial context" using an example
Linda: agrees, it should be an example
(discussion about whether a best practice on this topic already exists)
frans: how to match requirements
Linda: but should be done without loosing the narrative flow
<Linda> - A list/matrix of the common formats (GeoJSON, GML, RDF, JSON-LD) and what you can or can't achieve with it.
<frans> RDF is a format?
Linda: any volunteers?
phila: this will require input from more than one person and may trigger quite a bit of discussion
kerry: maybe a first attempt for now?
<KJanowicz> frans: not in a strict sense
<kerry> ACTION: clemens to look at A list/matrix of the common formats (GeoJSON, GML, RDF, JSON-LD) and what you can or can't achieve with it. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/11/11-sdw-minutes.html#action07]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-98 - Look at a list/matrix of the common formats (geojson, gml, rdf, json-ld) and what you can or can't achieve with it. [on Clemens Portele - due 2015-11-18].
kerry: put Feb 8/9/10 in your calendar
<frans> 8th of february? Bring your ice skates
<phila> Looking forward to being in NL again
<KJanowicz> where exactly will the meeting take place?
<BartvanLeeuwen> Amersfoort
<frans> We have one hill, no mountains
<BartvanLeeuwen> ACTION: to BartvanLeeuwen create a wikipage with information and participants [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/11/11-sdw-minutes.html#action08]
<trackbot> Error finding 'to'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/track/users>.
<phila> Amersfoort
<BartvanLeeuwen> ACTION: to Bart create a wikipage with information and participants [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/11/11-sdw-minutes.html#action09]
<trackbot> Error finding 'to'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/track/users>.
<BartvanLeeuwen> ACTION: to bart create a wikipage with information and participants [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/11/11-sdw-minutes.html#action10]
<trackbot> Error finding 'to'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/track/users>.
<phila> ACTION: Bart to create a wikipage with information and participants [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/11/11-sdw-minutes.html#action11]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-99 - Create a wikipage with information and participants [on Bart van Leeuwen - due 2015-11-18].
<AndreaPerego> Thanks and bye
<Linda> meeting location: http://www.geonovum.nl/contact/adres-en-route
<eparsons> thanks bye !
<KJanowicz> thanks, bye bye
<billroberts> thanks, bye
<BartvanLeeuwen> ths bye
thanks and bye!
<kerry> bye!
<Payam> thanks, bye
<LarsG> thanks, bye
<ahaller2> thanks, bye