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19:55:36 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be SDW
19:55:36 <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot
19:55:37 <trackbot> Meeting: Spatial Data on the Web Working Group Teleconference
19:55:37 <trackbot> Date: 11 November 2015
19:55:39 <kerry> zakim, code?
19:55:39 <Zakim> I have been told this is https://mit.webex.com/mit/j.php?MTID=m57409f4a882794f437fc8ca01a46ba45 +1-617-324-0000 US Toll Number Access code: 648 510 221, pw: vrh6qs24 Host key:
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20:01:17 <kerry> zakim, code
20:01:17 <Zakim> I don't understand 'code', kerry
20:01:32 <kerry> zakim,code?
20:01:32 <Zakim> I have been told this is https://mit.webex.com/mit/j.php?MTID=m57409f4a882794f437fc8ca01a46ba45 +1-617-324-0000 US Toll Number Access code: 648 510 221, pw: vrh6qs24 Host key:
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20:01:37 <Zakim> I don't understand 'code', kerry
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20:01:47 <Zakim> I have been told this is https://mit.webex.com/mit/j.php?MTID=m57409f4a882794f437fc8ca01a46ba45 +1-617-324-0000 US Toll Number Access code: 648 510 221, pw: vrh6qs24 Host key:
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20:01:57 <BartvanLeeuwen> present+ BartvanLeeuwen
20:02:16 <kerry> regrets+ rachel heaven
20:02:30 <kerry> regrets+ Jeremy Tandy regrets+ Scott Simmons regrets+ Jon Blower regrets+ Simon Cox regrets+ Matt Perry
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20:03:52 <kerry> scribe: clemens
20:04:03 <kerry> scribenick: ClemensPortele
20:04:27 <ClemensPortele> TOPIC: last meeting minutes
20:04:37 <ClemensPortele> http://www.w3.org/2015/10/25-sdw-minutes
20:04:45 <ClemensPortele> http://www.w3.org/2015/10/26-sdw-minutes
20:04:56 <kerry> +1
20:04:57 <Linda> +1
20:04:58 <Payam> +1
20:05:01 <BartvanLeeuwen> +1
20:05:04 <KJanowicz> +1
20:05:05 <ClemensPortele> kerry: approving minutes...
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20:05:27 <ClemensPortele> kerry: minutes approved
20:05:34 <kerry> https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/Patent_Call
20:05:35 <ClemensPortele> TOPIC: Patent call
20:05:55 <ClemensPortele> (nothing declared)
20:06:07 <frans> I think we just approved the sapporo minutes but not the minutes last weeks meeting?
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20:06:56 <eparsons> +1
20:07:08 <kerry> http://www.w3.org/2015/10/26-sdw-minutes
20:07:22 <ClemensPortele> TOPIC: approve Sapporo minutes
20:07:31 <BartvanLeeuwen> +1
20:07:36 <kerry> http://www.w3.org/2015/10/25-sdw-minutes
20:07:37 <Linda> +1
20:07:39 <eparsons> Proposed : Approve F2F Meeting Minutues
20:07:47 <kerry> +1
20:07:48 <BartvanLeeuwen> +1
20:07:53 <KJanowicz> +1
20:07:54 <AndreaPerego> present+ AndreaPerego
20:08:03 <eparsons> Approved : Approve F2F Meeting Minutes
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20:08:30 <ClemensPortele> TOPIC: Call for editors for Time and SSN
20:08:41 <ClemensPortele> kerry: asks for volunteers
20:08:50 <KJanowicz> Happy to help editing the SSN
20:08:53 <phila> zakim, code?
20:08:53 <Zakim> I have been told this is https://mit.webex.com/mit/j.php?MTID=m57409f4a882794f437fc8ca01a46ba45 +1-617-324-0000 US Toll Number Access code: 648 510 221, pw: vrh6qs24 Host key:
20:08:54 <ClemensPortele> kerry: contact Kerry or Ed, if you are interested
20:08:57 <Zakim> ... 703609
20:09:32 <ClemensPortele> kerry: there is interest already, but please come forward, if you are interested
20:09:43 <kerry> topic: UCR: Strategy to resolve issues for PWD approval 9 December
20:10:06 <ClemensPortele> kerry: goal is clean up and new public draft
20:10:24 <ClemensPortele> kerry: ...then OGC and W3C processes
20:10:47 <ClemensPortele> kerry: ...should take roughly 9 days to get them through both organisations
20:11:14 <BartvanLeeuwen> q+
20:11:26 <ClemensPortele> kerry: ...reminder this is not the final version, but should become more and more stable
20:11:44 <kerry> ack next
20:11:52 <ClemensPortele> BartvanLeeuwen: is there room for new use cases?
20:12:25 <ClemensPortele> frans: yes, until the document is final there is room, but the sooner the better
20:12:30 <kerry> q?
20:13:08 <ClemensPortele> BartvanLeeuwen: hopes to have it before the end of the year, so probably after the 2nd PWD
20:13:44 <ClemensPortele> BartvanLeeuwen: it is already recorded as an action (ACTION-89?)
20:14:21 <ClemensPortele> kerry: match the use case and the products
20:15:24 <ClemensPortele> frans: tracker has matches, some issues are still open - with a discussion thread
20:15:56 <ClemensPortele> frans: proposing to shift responsibility for resolving from UCR editors to the editors of the other deliverables
20:16:23 <frans> ISSUE-15: time
20:16:23 <trackbot> Notes added to ISSUE-15 Time req. not clear - represent past, present and future.
20:16:24 <frans> ISSUE-18: coverage
20:16:24 <frans> ISSUE-19: coverage
20:16:24 <frans> ISSUE-20: SSN
20:16:24 <trackbot> Notes added to ISSUE-18 Model Reuse.
20:16:24 <trackbot> Notes added to ISSUE-19 Multiple types of coverage requirement.
20:16:24 <trackbot> Notes added to ISSUE-20 Reference external vocabularies.
20:16:25 <frans> ISSUE-23: BP
20:16:25 <frans> ISSUE-24: SSN
20:16:25 <trackbot> Notes added to ISSUE-23 phrasing of the spatial operators requirement.
20:16:25 <trackbot> Notes added to ISSUE-24 clarification of lightweight APIs requirement.
20:16:26 <frans> ISSUE-26: time
20:16:26 <trackbot> Notes added to ISSUE-26 clarification of temporal vagueness requirement.
20:16:27 <ClemensPortele> frans: ... these editors need to look at the use cases anyhow
20:16:28 <frans> ISSUE-28: BP
20:16:28 <trackbot> Notes added to ISSUE-28 That a default crs is a requirement.
20:16:30 <frans> ISSUE-29: BP
20:16:30 <trackbot> Notes added to ISSUE-29 Add a requirement for linking geometry to CRS.
20:16:32 <frans> ISSUE-30: BP
20:16:32 <trackbot> Notes added to ISSUE-30 UCR: missing requirement -- local/contextual spatial references.
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20:17:14 <kerry> regrets+ chris little
20:17:18 <ClemensPortele> frans: any comments on the proposal?
20:17:33 <ClemensPortele> eparsons: a sensible way forward
20:17:36 <kerry> regrets+ andreas harth
20:17:55 <kerry> regrets+ alejandro llaves
20:18:25 <ClemensPortele> frans: we could create actions for each deliverable / issue pair
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20:18:59 <kerry> q?
20:19:20 <ClemensPortele> kerry: sounds good
20:20:10 <ClemensPortele> ACTION: frans to create actions that matches UCR issues and deliverables
20:20:10 <trackbot> Created ACTION-93 - Create actions that matches ucr issues and deliverables [on Frans Knibbe - due 2015-11-18].
20:20:34 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/11/11-sdw-minutes.html phila
20:20:34 <kerry> q?
20:20:38 <eparsons> Thank you Frans !!!
20:21:19 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/11/11-sdw-minutes.html phila
20:21:39 <ClemensPortele> kerry: anything else for UCR, frans?
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20:22:29 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/11/11-sdw-minutes.html phila
20:22:33 <kerry> topic:  UCR: Issue-16 Time req. out of scope - Valid time
20:22:50 <kerry> http://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/track/issues/16
20:23:12 <ClemensPortele> frans: special attention on ISSUE-16, is not related to a particular deliverabke
20:23:22 <ClemensPortele> s/deliverabke/deliverable/
20:23:42 <phila> issue-16?
20:23:42 <trackbot> issue-16 -- Time req. out of scope - Valid time -- open
20:23:42 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/track/issues/16
20:24:01 <ClemensPortele> frans: should we discuss now?
20:24:16 <BartvanLeeuwen> +1
20:24:20 <ClemensPortele> frans: problematic without Simon etc
20:24:38 <ClemensPortele> (agreement to move to next week)
20:25:01 <ClemensPortele> kerry: follow the list and let's try to get to a conclusion next week
20:25:12 <kerry> q?
20:25:25 <kerry> BP: Expanding best practice topics
20:25:33 <kerry> topic: BP: Expanding best practice topics
20:25:48 <ClemensPortele> kerry: not much time until 9 December
20:26:08 <kerry> q?
20:26:29 <ClemensPortele> Linda: in Sapporo most of the meeting was spent on BP
20:27:02 <ClemensPortele> Linda: ...discussion on narratives, took notes during discussion
20:27:32 <ClemensPortele> Linda: ...currently post-processing the notes to prepare topics that other could provide content or examples
20:27:46 <Linda> http://w3c.github.io/sdw/bp/#bp-linking
20:28:44 <ClemensPortele> Linda: linking data is the firs topic
20:28:51 <ClemensPortele> s/firs/first/
20:28:56 <Linda> -	How to make the links within a dataset discoverable
20:29:41 <BartvanLeeuwen> q+
20:29:44 <ClemensPortele> Linda: anyone who could provide input how to create good links, get the right granularity, etc?
20:29:58 <ClemensPortele> ack next
20:29:58 <kerry> ack BartvanLeeuwen
20:31:22 <ClemensPortele> BartvanLeeuwen: is working on a demo for bridging WFS and linked data
20:31:35 <ClemensPortele> BartvanLeeuwen: Is that something that is relevant for this topic?
20:31:43 <ClemensPortele> Linda: Yes
20:32:03 <BartvanLeeuwen> +1
20:32:20 <frans> q+
20:32:23 <kerry> action: bart to write about make the links within the dataset discoverable
20:32:23 <trackbot> Created ACTION-94 - Write about make the links within the dataset discoverable [on Bart van Leeuwen - due 2015-11-18].
20:32:31 <KJanowicz> Bart: wrt WFS and Linked Data, see http://carsten.io/jones-kuhn-kessler-scheider-agile2014.pdf (and other implementations)
20:33:27 <ClemensPortele> kerry: clarification about the process? email ok or change Github directly?
20:33:38 <kerry> ack next
20:33:41 <ClemensPortele> Linda: Both fine, as long as we get the content
20:34:05 <ClemensPortele> frans: what kind of links? all links or spatial links?
20:34:19 <eparsons> q+
20:34:28 <kerry> ack next
20:34:32 <ClemensPortele> Linda: not specified, but should be related to spatial aspects, eg also links into spatial datasets
20:34:33 <BartvanLeeuwen> q+
20:35:19 <kerry> ack next
20:35:22 <ClemensPortele> eparsons: could be linking to a thing or the spatial representation, there may be a difference
20:35:32 <BartvanLeeuwen> http://w3c.github.io/sdw/bp/#h-bp-clear-semantics
20:36:37 <phila> Yes, it was Linksets
20:37:30 <kerry> q?
20:37:47 <KJanowicz> +1
20:37:48 <ClemensPortele> BartvanLeeuwen: need to clarify what's in scope, what's spatial
20:37:51 <BartvanLeeuwen> +1
20:37:58 <AndreaPerego> +1
20:38:14 <ClemensPortele> eparsons: need to clarify that something without a geometry may be considered spatial and within scope of our work
20:38:17 <frans> q+
20:38:36 <kerry> action: linda to add to scope and link data section -- comment o spatail data without a geometry is in scope here
20:38:36 <trackbot> Created ACTION-95 - Add to scope and link data section -- comment o spatail data without a geometry is in scope here [on Linda van den Brink - due 2015-11-18].
20:38:36 <ClemensPortele> Linda: will add this to the BP
20:38:44 <kerry> ack next
20:39:28 <ClemensPortele> frans: where one is coming from will influence how that topic is understood
20:39:49 <ClemensPortele> frans: ...different audiences may require a different wording
20:40:01 <kerry> +1 to serve both groups of readers in same doc
20:40:07 <ClemensPortele> Linda: not clear yet how to address this
20:40:23 <BartvanLeeuwen> +1 for one document
20:40:25 <eparsons> +1 to serve both may need to be more explicit as a result..
20:40:28 <phila> q+ to say reduce your assumptions
20:40:37 <kerry> ack phila
20:40:37 <Zakim> phila, you wanted to say reduce your assumptions
20:40:37 <phila> ack me
20:41:02 <ClemensPortele> phila: agrees with frans
20:41:21 <kerry> q+
20:41:56 <ClemensPortele> phila: one document, we just need to be clear and make no assumptions about prior knowledge
20:42:10 <frans> Or: make liberal use of the ability to link to definitions
20:42:29 <phila> <abbr title="World Wide Web Consortium">W3C</abbr>
20:42:59 <kerry> q?
20:43:02 <ClemensPortele> phila: maybe use abbr mechanism in more cases
20:43:05 <kerry> ack kerry
20:43:35 <ClemensPortele> kerry: this is about more than just acronyms
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20:44:14 <ClemensPortele> kerry: need to think how to present the different viewpoints, likely after 9 December
20:44:15 <kerry> q?
20:44:32 <Linda> -	Making your spatial data more useful by including links to wellknown spatial resources (things like GeoNames, Wiki/dbPedia, OSM etc)
20:45:13 <ClemensPortele> Linda: any volunteers for this topic?
20:45:55 <ClemensPortele> billroberts: I can have a go at that
20:46:15 <kerry> action: billroberts to write on make the links within the dataset discoverable
20:46:15 <trackbot> Error finding 'billroberts'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/track/users>.
20:46:43 <kerry> actio
20:46:54 <Linda> -	Example of how you could link to a particular version of a thing
20:46:55 <kerry> q?
20:47:09 <phila> action: roberts to write on make the links within the dataset discoverable
20:47:09 <trackbot> Created ACTION-96 - Write on make the links within the dataset discoverable [on Bill Roberts - due 2015-11-18].
20:47:21 <ClemensPortele> Linda: any volunteers for this topic? in particular an example...
20:47:39 <BartvanLeeuwen> +q
20:47:51 <ClemensPortele> frans: what is the spatial aspect?
20:47:54 <kerry> q+
20:48:01 <phila> q+
20:48:14 <phila> q+ to talk about Annette Grainier
20:48:24 <BartvanLeeuwen> q-
20:48:25 <ClemensPortele> eparsons: not particularly spatial, but occurs often with spatial data
20:49:02 <billroberts> q+
20:49:22 <ClemensPortele> frans: I experienced it more as a temporal than a spatial problem
20:49:23 <kerry> ack phila
20:49:23 <Zakim> phila, you wanted to talk about Annette Grainier
20:49:39 <BartvanLeeuwen> q+
20:50:17 <ClemensPortele> phila: discussed with DWBP group whether that group has subsetting use case that is not spatial
20:50:27 <frans> q+
20:50:37 <phila> q-
20:50:39 <ClemensPortele> phila: will follow up on this to clarify relationship between groups
20:50:40 <kerry> action: phila to work on subsetting links
20:50:40 <trackbot> Created ACTION-97 - Work on subsetting links [on Phil Archer - due 2015-11-18].
20:51:23 <ClemensPortele> kerry: there is a topic in the DWBP, but high level - we probably need to go deeper
20:51:53 <ClemensPortele> phila: either provide DWBP with better text or we add it in our own
20:51:59 <BartvanLeeuwen> q-
20:52:02 <kerry> q?
20:52:03 <ClemensPortele> kerry: probably in our own for now
20:52:13 <kerry> ack next
20:52:20 <kerry> ack billroberts
20:53:17 <ClemensPortele> billroberts: versioning should be in scope, but reference elsewhere and put it in a "spatial context" using an example
20:53:41 <ClemensPortele> Linda: agrees, it should be an example
20:54:49 <kerry> ack frans
20:55:31 <ClemensPortele> (discussion about whether a best practice on this topic already exists)
20:56:15 <phila> RRSAgent, draft minutes
20:56:15 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/11/11-sdw-minutes.html phila
20:56:35 <phila> chair: Kerry
20:56:38 <ClemensPortele> frans: how to match requirements
20:57:06 <ClemensPortele> Linda: but should be done without loosing the narrative flow
20:57:12 <Linda> -	A list/matrix of the common formats (GeoJSON, GML, RDF, JSON-LD) and what you can or can't achieve with it.
20:57:38 <frans> RDF is a format?
20:57:45 <phila> present+ ahaller2, KJanowicz, Payam, phila
20:58:27 <ClemensPortele> Linda: any volunteers?
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20:59:15 <ClemensPortele> phila: this will require input from more than one person and may trigger quite a bit of discussion
20:59:46 <ClemensPortele> kerry: maybe a first attempt for now?
20:59:52 <KJanowicz> frans: not in a strict sense
21:00:29 <kerry> action: clemens to look at A list/matrix of the common formats (GeoJSON, GML, RDF, JSON-LD) and what you can or can't achieve with it.
21:00:29 <trackbot> Created ACTION-98 - Look at a list/matrix of the common formats (geojson, gml, rdf, json-ld) and what you can or can't achieve with it. [on Clemens Portele - due 2015-11-18].
21:01:03 <kerry> topic: Reminder: next F2F Netherlands 8-10 Feb 2016
21:01:15 <ClemensPortele> kerry: put Feb 8/9/10 in your calendar
21:01:21 <frans> 8th of february? Bring your ice skates
21:01:32 <ClemensPortele> q+
21:01:38 <phila> Looking forward to being in NL again
21:01:39 <KJanowicz> where exactly will the meeting take place?
21:01:48 <BartvanLeeuwen> Amersfoort
21:02:22 <kerry> rrsagent, draft minutes
21:02:22 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/11/11-sdw-minutes.html kerry
21:02:23 <frans> We have one hill, no mountains
21:02:40 <BartvanLeeuwen> action: to BartvanLeeuwen create a wikipage with information and participants
21:02:40 <trackbot> Error finding 'to'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/track/users>.
21:02:45 <phila> -> https://www.google.co.uk/maps/place/Amersfoort,+Netherlands/@52.1590355,5.0976695,10z/data=!4m2!3m1!1s0x47c65a9d79977bf1:0x3c16cc2a7f76991e Amersfoort
21:02:48 <BartvanLeeuwen> action: to Bart create a wikipage with information and participants
21:02:48 <trackbot> Error finding 'to'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/track/users>.
21:02:51 <BartvanLeeuwen> action: to bart create a wikipage with information and participants
21:02:51 <trackbot> Error finding 'to'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/track/users>.
21:03:02 <kerry> q?
21:03:18 <phila> action: Bart to create a wikipage with information and participants
21:03:18 <trackbot> Created ACTION-99 - Create a wikipage with information and participants [on Bart van Leeuwen - due 2015-11-18].
21:03:21 <AndreaPerego> Thanks and bye
21:03:23 <Linda> meeting location: http://www.geonovum.nl/contact/adres-en-route
21:03:25 <eparsons> thanks bye !
21:03:27 <KJanowicz> thanks, bye bye
21:03:28 <billroberts> thanks, bye
21:03:28 <BartvanLeeuwen> ths bye
21:03:29 <ClemensPortele> thanks and bye!
21:03:30 <kerry> bye!
21:03:31 <Payam> thanks, bye
21:03:32 <LarsG> thanks, bye
21:03:35 <ahaller2> thanks, bye
21:03:45 <phila> RRSAgent, draft minutes
21:03:45 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/11/11-sdw-minutes.html phila
21:11:52 <kerry> rrsagent, draft minutes
21:11:52 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/11/11-sdw-minutes.html kerry
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