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<r12a> http://www.w3.org/International/groups/arabic-layout/track/actions/open
<Behnam> actions?
<r12a> close action-19
<trackbot> Closed action-19.
Behnam: Action #19 regarding adding a GitHub pages branch in the Git repo is done.
Richard: Action #20 (setting up a new call information for next week) is still ongoing and will probably be done by next week.
Behnam: We have one new memmber which could not be on today’s call: Khaled Hossni from Egypt.
Behnam: He has been working on
open source and typography projects.
... Hopefully we will have him in the next week’s meeting.
Mostafa: I haven’t got around to adding terms to the glossary, but I found some books for terms that are missing Persian translations.
<Behnam> Btw, presentation slides are posted here: https://github.com/w3c/alreq/tree/gh-pages/misc/presentations
Mostafa: I will proably be able to use them to add some Persian translations during this week.
<najib> Working on the glossary.
<najib> Take time to have complete.
<najib> working progressively.
<najib> The sheet is not easy.
<najib> That's it.
<Behnam> najib, thanks
Mostafa: What is the best thing to do about books published here in Iran that are not digitally available? Should I send extra copies for other members? I scanning a few pages of them OK?
<Behnam> https://www.dropbox.com/s/u7kn9sy9tuve0s9/ALReq_Refs_List.md?dl=0
Behnam: Not every team member has
to have access to these references. You can go ahead and use
them as references. In cases when it is necessary the one that
has the reference can scan a few pages and send them privately
for others.
... Wasseem, could you find a new resources?
Wasseem: Yeah, I searched for more resources and will have something to share in the next call.
<Behnam> ACTION: Wassim to find references for Arabic lang, from Syria and the region [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/11/10-alreq-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Error finding 'Wassim'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/International/groups/arabic-layout/track/users>.
<Behnam> ACTION: Waseem to find references for Arabic lang, from Syria and the region [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/11/10-alreq-minutes.html#action02]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-21 - Find references for arabic lang, from syria and the region [on Waseem Daoud - due 2015-11-17].
<Behnam> ACTION: Behnam to add his references to the Ref List [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/11/10-alreq-minutes.html#action03]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-22 - Add his references to the ref list [on Behnam Esfahbod - due 2015-11-17].
Behnam: I myself have to look for more resources and add them to the list.
Mostafa: Last week we had a first
draft of the “Characters” section. There is a GitHub issue for
that now. Please go ahead and add suggestions for improvements.
I would happy to implement suggestions.
... In the meantime, I can pick another topic and start an
initial draft for that.
<Behnam> ACTION: Behnam to write up a section for languages/locales in Introductions chapter [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/11/10-alreq-minutes.html#action04]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-23 - Write up a section for languages/locales in introductions chapter [on Behnam Esfahbod - due 2015-11-17].
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1uPrxdtedlodiabT4SjptfVqumeHJCe8Pkl8eWXFiFJc/edit?ts=56389689#
<Behnam> Draft for Characters in Use: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1uPrxdtedlodiabT4SjptfVqumeHJCe8Pkl8eWXFiFJc/edit?ts=56389689#
Behnam: The topic of languages to support have come up before. I’m working on an introductory section that talks about that and other sections like “Characters” can refer to that.
<najib> May ACTION: font-and-typography
<najib> Added some updates
Behnam: This will be sent over as a PR on the GitHub repo.
<najib> It is yet a rough draft. Try to enhance it with quotations, references and more example.
<najib> May be all is not relevant to this section of the document (font-and-typography).
<najib> Please read and tell me what you think.
<r12a> link, najib?
<najib> http://www.w3c.org.ma/Tests/Alreq/Font-and-Typographical-considerations.html
<najib> speaking to book publishers to grab feedbacks.
<najib> That's it.
Richard: A few weeks ago I found a few web pages about font styles and suggested. From this draft seems like they have been taken into consideration.
<najib> Also Pinging an expert in typography and Arabic styles from Tunisia, but didn't yet receive an answer.
<najib> That's all.
Behnam: In my opinion, these
examples and notes are good topics, but we need to start
covering more generic matters. These are too detail.
... We mentioned covering general styles like Nastaliq, Kufi,
and Naskh.
<Behnam> najib: I like it that you have pointed out these cases
Richard: That’s what I was talking about.
<Behnam> najib: I think we also need to cover the major styles
<najib> I am aware we should be more general and cover more topics.
<Behnam> najib: sounds good
<r12a> najib, are you planning to do that?
<najib> Yes
Mostafa: As I said, I am ready to pick another topic. Which is good?
Behnam: I looked at the
characters section and I was interested in having an
explanation of how the characters are represented.
... Like what you mentioned a few meetings before, about
overlap between joining glyphs that can lead to a
problem.
... I believe we have to put images in this chapter to explain
how joining and letters work togeher.
... And then we have to explain differences between isolated
and joined forms.
Richard: Mostafa have already did some work on these topics, and these are good topics to talk about.
Richard: And the sooner we get to
writen document the better.
... We should be aware of covering some layout topics like
justification and hyphenation too and get into more details as
we see the need for them.
Mostafa: All the topics that you mentioned are correct and should be covered, but I guess they belong more to the next section which covers joining.
<Behnam> ACTION: Mostafa to start drafting Arrangement and Joining Behaviour [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/11/10-alreq-minutes.html#action05]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-24 - Start drafting arrangement and joining behaviour [on Mostafa Hajizadeh - due 2015-11-17].
Mostafa: The model I had in mind for the character section was the characters sections in jlreq and clreq, which both were very concise and mentioned the general types of characters used and refered to the tables.
Behnam: Right, these belong to
the next topic that should cover arrangement and joining
behavior.
... Richard, I agree with you about the importance of topics
like elongation and justifications.
... I think we need terms that cover the joining behavior to
talk about those other topics.
... That’s the reason I’m happy with starting at the lower
lever before getting to justifications.
Richard: I understand. I’m just
worried about getting caught in the topics that are not that
new.
... Justification and elongation are new for a lot of people
and are great topics to cover.
<r12a> http://w3c.github.io/tlreq/
Richard: I want to suggest
something.
... I was writing the Tibetan layout requirement.
<Behnam> ACTION: Behnam to update list of Editors [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/11/10-alreq-minutes.html#action06]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-25 - Update list of editors [on Behnam Esfahbod - due 2015-11-17].
Richard: I thought it was
necessary to describe the Tibetan script more that what we did
in jlreq and clreq, because it needed its own approach.
... I’m thinking if we need to take the same unique approach
for Arabic.
... Also, we have to add Mostafa and Najib as editors to the
document.
<Behnam> ACTION: Richard to file an issue to restructure our document based on his experience with Tibetan script [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/11/10-alreq-minutes.html#action07]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-26 - File an issue to restructure our document based on his experience with tibetan script [on Richard Ishida - due 2015-11-17].
Behnam: I see your point. You are kind of suggesting to change the document structure. It would be better if we could have some time to think about it and discuss it with Shervin too.
Richard: I can file an issue for that.
<najib> In general any time is fine for Morocco.
Behnam: The last topic is the possiblity of rescheduling the meetings to another week day, because I got involved in another working group.
<najib> We are GMT
<Behnam> najib, we have to keep the time as it is. So, I'm just wondering if we can change the day
<najib> Not Thursday
<najib> I18N call
Mostafa: People have to check with their schedules, so could we build a new poll for this like the one we had at the beginning of these meetings?
Richard: The only other option for me is Wednesday.
Behnam: Alright, I send an email to the mailing list about it.