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<shawn-off> Alan: Did interviews. although not much for us. did use cases. one point is that the people I talked to had deteriorating vision
<shawn-off> Jim: deteriorating throughout day, @@, lifetime...
<Bruce_Bailey> scribe:bruce
<Bruce_Bailey> scribe:bruce_bailey
Alan and Jim also discuss how LV needs change over the course of day
<allanj> http://www.sitepoint.com/mobile-accessibility-fails-need-wcag3/
<Wayne> wayne+
Jim: New articles from today, Q
mobile accessibility fails Q do we need WCAG 3?
... examples include sliding menus that get stuck on and cannot
go away, blocking content
Jim will review and add to use cases.
<allanj> close item 1
<allanj> open item 2
Alan Smith: Also work on mobile and use case.
Bruce suggest using web ex window to help scribe check who is talking
Jim asks for more examples?
Wayne checks if use case where screen gets reduced to single line of text
Wayne: heading takes have a
screen just for menu, data ends up being two lines long
... so you have two lines out of hundreds, have to read page in
small (regular) print
... user forced to use lens
Wayne volunteers to add use case.
Wayne: What is protocol to linking to bad examples?
Shawn: Thinks okay for wiki, but would want to clear up for final document
Laura recommends screen captures, may have to host off-site thought
Laura also recommends masking out identifying information
<shawn-off> >>> for bad examples, screen capture, mask out identifying info <<<
Wayne: can also format using
PRE
... Use of PRE really hard to parse, and masks structural
information like lists
Wayne will add use case for PRE as well.
Wayne: These all come down to why one cannot read fast.
Wayne will also move his reference materials to the reference sections.
Jim asks Erich if some of his use cases need tag lines and summaries?
Erich agree. Wayne and Jim have acouple each. Bruce too.
Discussion if we need action items?
<allanj> ACTION: Jim to add mobile use cases to use cases from sitepoint article [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/10/21-lvtf-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-6 - Add mobile use cases to use cases from sitepoint article [on Jim Allan - due 2015-10-28].
<allanj> ACTION: jim to add tag and summary to usecases [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/10/21-lvtf-minutes.html#action02]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-7 - Add tag and summary to usecases [on Jim Allan - due 2015-10-28].
<shawn-off> ACTION: Shawn put in use cases [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/10/21-lvtf-minutes.html#action03]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-8 - Put in use cases [on Shawn Henry - due 2015-10-28].
<allanj> ACTION: alan to add tag and summary to usecases [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/10/21-lvtf-minutes.html#action04]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-9 - Add tag and summary to usecases [on Alan Smith - due 2015-10-28].
<scribe> ACTION: Bruce to create tag and summary for his item on wiki page [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/10/21-lvtf-minutes.html#action05]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-10 - Create tag and summary for his item on wiki page [on Bruce Bailey - due 2015-10-28].
Laura: Do we need proper name? i.e., George, Mary
Jim and Laura discuss consistency
<LVTF> Action 3 - add tag and summary for use cases added Erich
<trackbot> Error finding '3'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/low-vision-a11y-tf/track/users>.
Jim: Should we make problem statement for tag line?
<allanj> make the taglines a problem statement or phrase
Style will be to take the name out and make the taglines a problem statement
h+
<shawn-off> ACTION: Erich to use cases, add tagline and summary [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/10/21-lvtf-minutes.html#action06]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-11 - Use cases, add tagline and summary [on Erich Manser - due 2015-10-28].
Jim: most are terse, but be encouraged to clean up
Bruce asks if some are particularly good models?
Jim: What are better exemplars?
Laura: No favorites.
h-
Jim: Some are shorter, none are
best.
... Use your best judgement. Short but not too short.
Jim: Can we set deadline? Do we have enough?
No objections.
Jim: Please conclude clean up by
next week
... We do not have hard moratorium, mobile article inspired new
use case.
Jim: We do want to try and wrap up thought.
Jim: Please think if you know you need more uses cases.
Jim will be following by email with Laura, who had to leave meeting.
Jim: Kudos to Laura for use
cases, taglines, summaries.
... Need a couple people to review, maybe consolidate, group
differently possibly.
... Looking for volunteers for this editorial clean up.
Jim, Erich, Wayne all volunteer.
Jim: End of agenda. Aske Wayne and Erich to discuss clean up.
Wayne: New item ontology
... functional limits and physical impact
... starting from four categories diagnois phyiscal impact
functional limitation
... will add to wiki
<shawn-off> .... digital needs
Wayne: table started from texas school for the blind
Bruce: notes that his scribing is weak here...
Wayne: People will bring up topic
like diagnosis, albinism, linking to functional impact
... there is the conditions then the functional limitation and
want conceptional linking. Making live links will be tedious
but is important
... same concepts may have very different phrasing, e.g.
medical terminology and functional limitation
Jim and Wayne discuss that this sort of thing might need to be more a database than what we can do in a wiki
Wayne: Example is if you have this X sort of condition you need Y kind of accomodation.
Jim: Most can leave, work on use
cases
... Editorial team to keep discussiong
<shawn-off> task is to go over use cases to see what we have and what is missing (and what we might want to combine)
<shawn-off> shawn can help fill in missing stuff
<allanj> title: LFTF telecon
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