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14:24:23 <allanj> rrsagent, set logs ublic
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14:24:50 <allanj> rrsagent, make minutes
14:24:50 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/10/21-lvtf-minutes.html allanj
14:25:36 <allanj> Agenda+ scribe
14:25:37 <allanj> Agenda+ review and discussion of updates to user needs and categorization.
14:25:39 <allanj> Agenda+ set a deadline for adding new use cases. Who has more to do/add, when will it be added
14:25:40 <allanj> Agenda+ Big Picture of Use Cases - what do we have, what do we need, where do we go next - evaluation and refining of existing use cases
14:25:49 <allanj> zakim, agenda?
14:25:49 <Zakim> I see 5 items remaining on the agenda:
14:25:50 <Zakim> 9. Review of overview [from AWK]
14:25:50 <Zakim> 10. scribe [from allanj]
14:25:50 <Zakim> 11. review and discussion of updates to user needs and categorization. [from allanj]
14:25:51 <Zakim> 12. set a deadline for adding new use cases. Who has more to do/add, when will it be added [from allanj]
14:25:51 <Zakim> 13. Big Picture of Use Cases - what do we have, what do we need, where do we go next - evaluation and refining of existing use cases [from allanj]
14:26:05 <allanj> zakim, close item 9
14:26:05 <Zakim> agendum 9, Review of overview, closed
14:26:06 <Zakim> I see 4 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
14:26:06 <Zakim> 10. scribe [from allanj]
14:27:06 <shawn-off> zakim, agenda
14:27:06 <Zakim> I don't understand 'agenda', shawn-off
14:27:12 <shawn-off> zakim, agenda?
14:27:12 <Zakim> I see 4 items remaining on the agenda:
14:27:13 <Zakim> 10. scribe [from allanj]
14:27:13 <Zakim> 11. review and discussion of updates to user needs and categorization. [from allanj]
14:27:13 <Zakim> 12. set a deadline for adding new use cases. Who has more to do/add, when will it be added [from allanj]
14:27:13 <Zakim> 13. Big Picture of Use Cases - what do we have, what do we need, where do we go next - evaluation and refining of existing use cases [from allanj]
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14:27:57 <shawn-off> zakim, clear agenda
14:27:57 <Zakim> agenda cleared
14:28:13 <allanj> Agenda+ scribe
14:28:14 <allanj> Agenda+ review and discussion of updates to user needs and categorization.
14:28:16 <allanj> Agenda+ set a deadline for adding new use cases. Who has more to do/add, when will it be added
14:28:17 <allanj> Agenda+ Big Picture of Use Cases - what do we have, what do we need, where do we go next - evaluation and refining of existing use cases
14:28:47 <allanj> present: +Jim
14:28:52 <Bruce_Bailey> present+ bruce_bailey
14:28:53 <laura> present+ Laura
14:29:03 <shawn-off> present+ Shawn
14:32:01 <shawn-off> present+ Alan_Smith
14:32:16 <shawn-off> present+ Erich
14:33:23 <shawn-off> Alan: Did interviews. although not much for us. did use cases. one point is that the people I talked to had deterioting vision
14:33:45 <shawn-off> Jim: deter throughout day, @@, lifetime...
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14:34:26 <shawn-off> zakim, LVTF is Wayne
14:34:26 <Zakim> sorry, shawn-off, I do not recognize a party named 'LVTF'
14:34:56 <Bruce_Bailey> scribe:bruce
14:35:06 <Bruce_Bailey> scribe:bruce_bailey
14:35:32 <allanj> regrets: Andrew, Chuck, Srini
14:35:46 <Bruce_Bailey> Alan and Jim also discuss how LV needs change over the course of day
14:35:48 <shawn-off> present+ Wayne
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14:35:59 <allanj> http://www.sitepoint.com/mobile-accessibility-fails-need-wcag3/
14:36:02 <Wayne> wayne+
14:36:27 <Bruce_Bailey> Jim:New articles from today, Q mobile accessibility fails Q do we need WCAG 3?
14:36:32 <shawn-off> s/deterioting/deteriorating
14:36:59 <shawn-off> s/deter throughout day/deteriorating throughout day
14:37:08 <Bruce_Bailey> Jim:examples include sliding menus that get stuck on and cannot go away, blocking content
14:37:15 <Bruce_Bailey> Jim will review and add to use cases.
14:37:24 <allanj> zakim, open item 1
14:37:24 <Zakim> agendum 1. "scribe" taken up [from allanj]
14:37:39 <allanj> close item 1
14:37:51 <allanj> open item 2
14:37:52 <Bruce_Bailey> Alan Smith: Also work on mobile and use case.
14:38:32 <Bruce_Bailey> Bruce suggest using web ex window to help scribe check who is talking
14:39:37 <Bruce_Bailey> Jim asks for more examples?
14:39:50 <allanj> Topic: Review of Use Case
14:39:51 <shawn-off> regrets+ Charles
14:40:04 <Bruce_Bailey> Wayne checks if use case where screen gets reduced to single line of text
14:40:34 <Bruce_Bailey> Wayne:  heading takes have a screen just for menu, data ends up being two lines long
14:41:05 <Bruce_Bailey> Wayne: so you have two lines out of hundreds, have to read page in small (regular) print
14:41:15 <Bruce_Bailey> Wayne: user forced to use lens
14:41:26 <Bruce_Bailey> Wayne volunteers to add use case.
14:41:48 <Bruce_Bailey> Wayne:  What is protocol to linking to bad examples?
14:42:16 <Bruce_Bailey> Shawn:  Thinks okay for wiki, but would want to clear up for final document
14:42:35 <Bruce_Bailey> Laura recommends screen captures, may have to host off-site thought
14:43:01 <Bruce_Bailey> Laura also recommends masking out identifying information
14:43:13 <shawn-off>  >>> for bad examples, screen capture, mask out identifying info <<<
14:43:37 <Bruce_Bailey> Wayne:  can also format using PRE
14:43:58 <Bruce_Bailey> Wayne:  Use of PRE really hard to parse, and masks structural information like lists
14:44:10 <Bruce_Bailey> Wayne will add use case for PRE as well.
14:44:31 <Bruce_Bailey> Wayne:  These all come down to why one cannot read fast.
14:44:49 <Bruce_Bailey> Wayne will also move his reference materials to the reference sections.
14:45:14 <Bruce_Bailey> Jim asks Erich if some of his use cases need tag lines and summaries?
14:45:36 <Bruce_Bailey> Erich agree.  Wayne and Jim have acouple each.  Bruce too.
14:46:16 <Bruce_Bailey> Discussion if we need action items?
14:46:52 <allanj> action: Jim to add mobile use cases to use cases from sitepoint article
14:46:53 <trackbot> Created ACTION-6 - Add mobile use cases to use cases from sitepoint article [on Jim Allan - due 2015-10-28].
14:47:09 <allanj> action: jim to add tag and summary to usecases
14:47:09 <trackbot> Created ACTION-7 - Add tag and summary to usecases [on Jim Allan - due 2015-10-28].
14:47:46 <shawn-off> action: Shawn put in use cases
14:47:46 <trackbot> Created ACTION-8 - Put in use cases [on Shawn Henry - due 2015-10-28].
14:47:50 <allanj> action: alan to add tag and summary to usecases
14:47:51 <trackbot> Created ACTION-9 - Add tag and summary to usecases [on Alan Smith - due 2015-10-28].
14:48:06 <Bruce_Bailey> action: Bruce to create tag and summary for his item on wiki page
14:48:06 <trackbot> Created ACTION-10 - Create tag and summary for his item on wiki page [on Bruce Bailey - due 2015-10-28].
14:48:44 <Bruce_Bailey> Laura:  Do we need proper name?  i.e., George, Mary
14:48:59 <Bruce_Bailey> Jim and Laura discuss consistency
14:49:12 <LVTF> Action 3 - add tag and summary for use cases added Erich
14:49:12 <trackbot> Error finding '3'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/low-vision-a11y-tf/track/users>.
14:49:26 <Bruce_Bailey> Jim:  Should we make problem statement for tag line?
14:49:49 <allanj> make the taglines a problem statement or phrase
14:50:38 <Bruce_Bailey> Style will be to take the name out and make the taglines a problem statement
14:50:41 <Bruce_Bailey> h+
14:50:49 <shawn-off> action: Erich to use cases, add tagline and summary
14:50:49 <trackbot> Created ACTION-11 - Use cases, add tagline and summary [on Erich Manser - due 2015-10-28].
14:51:01 <Bruce_Bailey> Jim:  most are terse, but be encouraged to clean up
14:51:31 <Bruce_Bailey> Bruce asks if some are particularly good models?
14:51:53 <Bruce_Bailey> Jim:  What are better exemplars?
14:52:05 <Bruce_Bailey> Laura:  No favorites.
14:52:07 <Bruce_Bailey> h-
14:52:53 <Bruce_Bailey> Jim:  Some are shorter, none are best.
14:53:17 <Bruce_Bailey> Jim:  Use your best judgement.  Short but not too short.
14:53:30 <allanj> zakim, take up next
14:53:30 <Zakim> agendum 3. "set a deadline for adding new use cases. Who has more to do/add, when will it be added" taken up [from allanj]
14:54:08 <allanj> topic: Deadline for finishing use cases
14:54:13 <Bruce_Bailey> Jim:  Can we set deadline?  Do we have enough?
14:54:25 <Bruce_Bailey> No objections.
14:54:48 <Bruce_Bailey> Jim:  Please conclude clean up by next week
14:55:26 <Bruce_Bailey> Jim:  We do not have hard moratorium, mobile article inspired new use case.
14:55:38 <allanj> zakim, take up next
14:55:38 <Zakim> agendum 4. "Big Picture of Use Cases - what do we have, what do we need, where do we go next - evaluation and refining of existing use cases" taken up [from allanj]
14:55:45 <Bruce_Bailey> Jim:  We do want to try and wrap up thought.
14:56:02 <allanj> topic: Big Picture of use cases
14:56:08 <Bruce_Bailey> Jim:  Please think if you know you need more uses cases.
14:57:24 <Bruce_Bailey> Jim will be following by email with Laura, who had to leave meeting.
14:57:40 <Bruce_Bailey> Jim:  Kudos to Laura for use cases, taglines, summaries.
14:57:51 <laura> laura has left #lvtf
14:58:17 <Bruce_Bailey> Jim:  Need a couple people to review, maybe consolidate, group differently possibly.
14:58:38 <Bruce_Bailey> Jim:  Looking for volunteers for this editorial clean up.
14:58:53 <Bruce_Bailey> Jim, Erich, Wayne all volunteer.
15:00:17 <Bruce_Bailey> Jim:  End of agenda.  Aske Wayne and Erich to discuss clean up.
15:00:26 <Bruce_Bailey> Wayne:  New item ontology
15:00:39 <Bruce_Bailey> Wayne:  functional limits and physical impact
15:01:33 <Bruce_Bailey> Wayne:  starting from four categories  diagnois phyiscal impact functional limitation
15:01:51 <Bruce_Bailey> Wayne: will add to wiki
15:01:52 <shawn-off> .... digital needs
15:02:10 <Bruce_Bailey> Wayne: table started from texas school for the blind
15:02:26 <Bruce_Bailey> Bruce: notes that his scribing is weak here...
15:03:16 <Bruce_Bailey> Wayne:  People will bring up topic like diagnosis, albinism, linking to functional impact
15:04:07 <Bruce_Bailey> Wayne:  there is the conditions then the functional limitation and want conceptional linking.  Making live links will be tedious but is important
15:05:04 <Bruce_Bailey> Wayne:  same concepts may have very different phrasing, e.g. medical terminology and functional limitation
15:05:39 <Bruce_Bailey> Jim and Wayne discuss that this sort of thing might need to be more a database than what we can do in a wiki
15:06:22 <Bruce_Bailey> Wayne:  Example is if you have this X sort of condition you need Y kind of accomodation.
15:06:37 <Bruce_Bailey> Jim:  Most can leave, work on use cases
15:06:47 <allanj> rrsagent, make minutes
15:06:47 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/10/21-lvtf-minutes.html allanj
15:06:48 <Bruce_Bailey> Jim:  Editorial team to keep discussiong
15:06:56 <allanj> rrsagent, make minutes
15:06:56 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/10/21-lvtf-minutes.html allanj
15:08:14 <allanj> zakim, clear agenda
15:08:14 <Zakim> agenda cleared
15:14:48 <shawn-off> task is to go over use cases to see what we have and what is missing (and what we might want to combine)
15:15:58 <shawn-off> shawn can help fill in missing stuff
15:16:57 <shawn-off> rrsagent, make minutes
15:16:57 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/10/21-lvtf-minutes.html shawn-off
15:46:01 <allanj> zakim, please part
15:46:01 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees have been +Jim, bruce_bailey, Laura, Shawn, Alan_Smith, Erich, Wayne
15:46:01 <Zakim> Zakim has left #lvtf
15:46:20 <allanj> rrsagent, make minutes
15:46:20 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/10/21-lvtf-minutes.html allanj
15:46:50 <allanj> chair: jim
15:47:10 <allanj> title: LFTF telecon
15:47:14 <allanj> rrsagent, make minutes
15:47:14 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/10/21-lvtf-minutes.html allanj
15:47:29 <allanj> rrsagent, please part
15:47:29 <RRSAgent> I see 6 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2015/10/21-lvtf-actions.rdf :
15:47:29 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Jim to add mobile use cases to use cases from sitepoint article [1]
15:47:29 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/10/21-lvtf-irc#T14-46-52
15:47:29 <RRSAgent> ACTION: jim to add tag and summary to usecases [2]
15:47:29 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/10/21-lvtf-irc#T14-47-09
15:47:29 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Shawn put in use cases [3]
15:47:29 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/10/21-lvtf-irc#T14-47-46
15:47:29 <RRSAgent> ACTION: alan to add tag and summary to usecases [4]
15:47:29 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/10/21-lvtf-irc#T14-47-50
15:47:29 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Bruce to create tag and summary for his item on wiki page [5]
15:47:29 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/10/21-lvtf-irc#T14-48-06
15:47:29 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Erich to use cases, add tagline and summary [6]
15:47:29 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/10/21-lvtf-irc#T14-50-49