paul: f2f meeting coming up the end of the month
... Wonsuk suggested some big topics
... specific emails
... TAG responded to my point on GitHub
... would talk about any specific topics on the table
... anything to be added?

kaz: TPAC topic includes joint meetings. right?

paul: two meetings expected so far
... Geolocation and Payments
... Tuesday at 9am for Payments, 10am for Geolocation
... intersection of specs
... Kevin from Automotive
... Giri from Geolocation
... and some Big Data guy?

wonsuk: maybe Tobie Langel?

paul: Simon from Fraunhofer
... might be a phone meeting
... Telematics

<ted> https://www.w3.org/community/bde-transport/

kaz: Ted provided some information
... Simon Scerri from Fraunhofer as the Chair of BDE-Smart (https://www.w3.org/community/bde-transport/)
... and Mary Brady from NIST as the Chair of the Big Data CG (https://www.w3.org/community/bigdata/)

paul: contacted both
... got response from Simon
... liaison during TPAC
... very interesting themes
... Dave Raggett from WoT?

kaz: he'll attend TPAC, esp. for the WoT IG meeting

paul: contacted Joerg Heuer, the Chair of the WoT IG

kaz: security is one of the hot topics
... also the scope of "Web of *Things*" should include automotive as well

hashimoto: any discussion on security by WoT?

paul: they have published many things on security

wonsuk: we can have the status of security work by the WoT IG
... we can ask them about the status

<Paul> https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Security,_Privacy_and_Resilience

wonsuk: and after that we can talk about security with each other

paul: have just put their wiki URL above

<Paul> http://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/

paul: their meeting will be held on Thu/Fri (=Oct. 29/30)
... Hashimoto-san, did you see the link above?

hashimoto: yes, I'd review the wiki this week

wonsuk: we have to investigate our use cases first
... and then what is the approach of the WoT side
... because that is very complicated
... we need to investigate their approach

paul: sounds good
... how should we continue the discussion with them?

kaz: can help you :)

hashimoto: briefly reviewing the WoT wiki
... data authentication integrity is related to our requirements
... Single sign-on as well

paul: everyone should look at their security work

adam: if there is anything for coordination, please let me know
... TV group is one of those to meet with

kaz: MMI chair was interested in joint meeting

adam: Generic Sensor is another

paul: what about the DAP WG?

wonsuk: DAP won't meet at TPAC
... Tobie is one of the Editors of Generic Sensor API
... we should contact him
... can contact him

paul: Giri sent his message CCing DAP WG

kaz: we can start with Giri's message to contact Tobie
... please note that Tobie is planning to have a breakout session on Wednesday
... and an adhoc meeting on Tuesday

paul: Wonsuk, you'll contact Tobie for Generic Sensor?
... Adam for TV?

kaz: already talked with the MMI Chair :)

paul: the issue 37 on GitHub
... TAG responded
... would suggest we have implementers
... we have to find implementers
... helpful to have a focus session for that
... recommended spec
... people have to implement the spec for the spec to reach a REC

kaz: we need both implementations and tests
... so we might want to have a session on how to test vehicle API
... maybe it could be done during the joint session with TV
... because IVI runtime is a bit different from usual browsers

wonsuk: we could ask Geolocation as well for opinions
... we already have proposed agenda to Giri
... now including API style, etc.
... we can add testing topic as well for the joint meeting with Geo

paul: have updated the agenda on the wiki

<Paul> https://www.w3.org/auto/wg/wiki/Main_Page

paul: would encourage you all to add topics if needed
... the other topic is security
... Hashimoto-san, what do you want to talk?

hashimoto: currently I'm getting 30 elementary use cases based on the 60 use cases we discussed in Seattle
... wondering how to handle security portion, within the Vehicle API spec or another document
... personally think two big issues, ID and history (logging functionality)
... these two features are included in the current spec
... but there are conflicts with security considerations
... would talk about those points

paul: ok
... so we'll see some stuff from you this week

hashimoto: yes

paul: question on the BG list asking about how to handle yaw rate
... quickly responded
... Hashimoto-san, you'll come to Seoul too?

hashimoto: yes

paul: contacting Genivi system architecture group
... three security sessions on Wednesday

hashimoto: will be in Seoul on Oct. 22-23

paul: we can try meeting on Friday
... if possible, you're encouraged to join the Wednesday meeting too

adam: security session on Friday
... we need to check with Philippe
... Paul and I will contact him again

paul: don't have anything else today
... anything else?

adam: agenda for the BG meeting?

paul: discussion with the security guys from Genivi
... media tuner?
... Dave Mitchell
... Philippe has been working with Qing An for LBS topics
... probably we should send a message to the BG
... BG meeting next Tuesday?

adam: set up recurring meetings for BG?

paul: yes
... second Tuesday every month

ted: regarding Philippe, hopefully we could get him more actively

paul: are you available on Wednesday?

ted: yes

(Kaz can't be in Seoul on Oct. 21 due to another auto event in Japan)

paul: let's see we can meet on Friday, Oct. 23

ted: business group incubator

paul: we're talking about getting together

ted: good to see who have got registered

kaz: wondering about the procedure for Hashimoto-san's security talk on Thursday, Oct. 22

ted: should be no problem

paul: if there is any problem, please let me know

kaz: ok

paul: Wednesday and Thursday are Open Day

ted: W3C session will be on Thursday

paul: Genivi Open Day includes open sessions
... for the W3C session, there should be no issues

[ adjourned ]