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<trackbot> Date: 27 August 2015
<richardschwerdtfeger> Meeting: W3C WAI-PF ARIA Caucus
<richardschwerdtfeger> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pfwg/2015Aug/0083.html
<richardschwerdtfeger> scribe: Janina
<richardschwerdtfeger> http://www.w3.org/2015/08/extended-description-analysis
rs: details/summary still under
examination as possible solution
... conversation ongoing with Microsoft re implementation in
Edge
... Will also need a media querry property for hide/show
config
... Believe will be OK if we can get implementation in Edge
committed
janina: No news today
rs: Noting two formal objections
janina: that's what's blocking, nothing else
<richardschwerdtfeger> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1703
action-1703?
<trackbot> action-1703 -- Richard Schwerdtfeger to Ask the aria task force about the need for a special figure role that would be brought up in a list of figures. also, discuss whether this would be a suitable default role for html figure. -- due 2015-08-21 -- OPEN
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1703
<Stefan> +q
rs: valuable to retrieve a full
list of figures in a doc
... rather like landmark, but for figures
... should it be applied to HTML figure
stefan: yes, this would be
valuable
... brings us more intune with host lang
jd: wondering whether figure is typically like a diagram
rs: yes
fe: also usable in svg as a
view
... a part of the larger graphic that could stand alone, with
its own integral semantic value
jd: so svg figure and html figure pretty parallel concepts
rs: yes
jd: then I agree
fe: noting that svg "view" is a
perspective representation
... applicable to "panel charts" -- a region that could stand
alone, if desired
rs: so a list of these would be
helpful
... so does the TF support a figure role, and should we promote
to html
<fesch> +1 for figure role
<joanie> +1 for figure role
stefan: asking about fig-caption, etc
rs: could use aria-label ... ...
fe: fig-caption is optional for a texted explanation
stefan: so the aria role could function as fig-caption substitute
[agreement]
rs: looking at html aam mappings for fig-caption ...
stefan: concerned that we are able to distinguish one figure in the list from another
rs: noting used in name calc --
noting edge support now
... so unique name or descript at the least
... proposing to intro a new figure element and can draft
text
<fesch> +1 for figure element
rs: proposing we don't want to
subclass region
... because region comes up in list of landmarks
jd: for discussion -- why is figure not a landmark?
rs: it actually is, but we want to be able to display them separately
fe: could be wierd if it drops one into the middle of an svg
stefan: wondering to what html figure is associated -- what's its parent?
rs: unaware
... could subclass group potentially
jd: aria-activedescendent inheritance problem if subclassed group
<richardschwerdtfeger> RESOLUTION: Create a new role called figure that subclases the section role
<richardschwerdtfeger> ACTION: Rich Create proposed text for a new figure role to Joanie to put in a brancth for review [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/08/27-aria-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-1708 - Create proposed text for a new figure role to joanie to put in a brancth for review [on Richard Schwerdtfeger - due 2015-09-03].
<richardschwerdtfeger> ACTION: Rich get with Steve Faulkner to discuss the HTML figure element mapping to role figure [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/08/27-aria-minutes.html#action02]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-1709 - Get with steve faulkner to discuss the html figure element mapping to role figure [on Richard Schwerdtfeger - due 2015-09-03].
<richardschwerdtfeger> RESOLUTION: Close Action 1703
action-1578?
<trackbot> action-1578 -- Richard Schwerdtfeger to Discuss issue-700 in aria task force meeting. -- due 2015-08-27 -- OPEN
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1578
<richardschwerdtfeger> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/700
<joanie> https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=146239#c7
jd: last comment, awaiting response
rs: I expect we're not creating a special role, correct?
jd: yes
rs: anything else to do with this?
jd: no
RESOLUTION: Close issue-700 as discussed and resolved to be an AAM concern
action-1546?
<trackbot> action-1546 -- David Bolter to Make sure the rowgroup mapping for msaa/ia2 is accurate -- due 2014-12-23 -- CLOSED
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1546
close action-1578
<trackbot> Closed action-1578.
action-1646?
<trackbot> action-1646 -- Joanmarie Diggs to Add clarifying text to readonly and required properties -- due 2015-06-11 -- PENDINGREVIEW
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1646
jd: done
<richardschwerdtfeger> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1646
jd: created a branch, and created text as follows:
<joanie> While the columnheader role can be used in both interactive grids and non-interactive tables, the use of aria-readonly and aria-required is only applicable to interactive elements. Therefore, authors should not use aria-required or aria-readonly in a columnheader that descends from a table, and user agents should not expose either property to assistive technologies unless the columnheader descends from a grid.
jn: if the only interactivity is sorting, is that necessarily a grid?
jd: believe so
jn: much overhead
rs: unsure, not yet raised, but intend to raise deprecating grid
jn: but requires a full kybd model
rs: so how to get to the element
to activate the sort?
... should it be navigable?
... what about a spreadsheet like table where only option is
scroll?
jd: still unclear what's wrong with my proposed text
jn: think it's ok
rs: ok
RESOLUTION: Accept Joanie's response to Action-1646
action-1490
<trackbot> action-1490 -- James Nurthen to Propose spec text edit for issue-610: comboboxes should allow complex children elements -- due 2014-10-06 -- OPEN
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1490
jn: it's the interactive thing ...
rs: so we need matt, etc
action-1537
<trackbot> action-1537 -- Richard Schwerdtfeger to Research pulling together a group to address some aapi extensions e.g., getcomputedrole -- due 2015-08-27 -- OPEN
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1537
rs: many balls in the air, such
as a new api as proposed by cynthia
... we set this out last tpac
... is this 1.1 or is it aria-2.0
janina: not seeing a solid reason to keep this in 1.1
jd: we need to feature freeze
<MichielBijl> +1
<JaEunJemmaKu> +1
RESOLUTION: Move action-1537 to ARIA-2.0 to be resumed with the browser api work
action-1676
<trackbot> action-1676 -- Joanmarie Diggs to Remove directory as a superclass of tablist -- due 2015-07-07 -- PENDINGREVIEW
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1676
jd: why is directory a superclass of tablist?
rs: a list of places to
go???
... not an abstract class ... a list of references to members
of a group
bg: same mapping as list
rs: is there inheritance problem somewhere?
jd: discovered with marked
interactive
... made wierd things happen
rs: agree we need to postpone this to interaction discussion
jd: should be closed "won't fix" for now ?
action-1676
<trackbot> action-1676 -- Joanmarie Diggs to Remove directory as a superclass of tablist -- due 2015-07-07 -- PENDINGREVIEW
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1676
action-1677
<trackbot> action-1677 -- Joanmarie Diggs to Remove input as a superclass of scrollbar and select -- due 2015-07-07 -- PENDINGREVIEW
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1677
action-1675
<trackbot> action-1675 -- Joanmarie Diggs to Remove list as a superclass of menu and listbox -- due 2015-07-07 -- OPEN
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1675
jd: should these stay open? or closed "won't fix" until we return to interactive discussion
rs: could move to interactive
issue
... related to inheritance cleanup
... moving to issue-633
close issue-722
<trackbot> Closed issue-722.
issue-736
<trackbot> issue-736 -- aria-label overriding listitem and treeitem content when need to know content is valuable -- open
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/736
<clown> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pfwg/2015Aug/0087.html
clown: would actually like to say "a list item sometimes requires a name"
<joanie> jd: I believe in the case of ARIA, a listitem is never a widget.
<joanie> jd: I think in ARIA, those objects would have role option.
<joanie> jd: Role option should have a name required, of course.
<joanie> jd: I don't think think an ARIA listitem is ever a widget. Furthermore, I think we don't want listitems to have names.
<joanie> jd: In addition, we need to get in touch with Steve Faulkner because the original concern I raised with the extreme names was HTML related (an li element).
rs: proposal to drop required and
name from content
... need to vet this around as is significant
<richardschwerdtfeger> ACTION: Rich get with Freedom Scientific to discuss name from content removal from listitems and no longer requiring names on lists [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/08/27-aria-minutes.html#action03]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-1710 - Get with freedom scientific to discuss name from content removal from listitems and no longer requiring names on lists [on Richard Schwerdtfeger - due 2015-09-03].
<richardschwerdtfeger> ACTION: Joseph Get with Alex Surkov to discuss name from content removal from listitems and no longer requiring names on lists [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/08/27-aria-minutes.html#action04]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-1711 - Get with alex surkov to discuss name from content removal from listitems and no longer requiring names on lists [on Joseph Scheuhammer - due 2015-09-03].
<richardschwerdtfeger> ACTION: Joanie Get with Apple to discuss name from content removal from listitems and no longer requiring names on lists [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/08/27-aria-minutes.html#action05]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-1712 - Get with apple to discuss name from content removal from listitems and no longer requiring names on lists [on Joanmarie Diggs - due 2015-09-03].
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