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<trackbot> Date: 19 August 2015
<scribe> Scribe: Katie Haritos-Shea
<scribe> ScribeNick: Ryladog
<scribe> Meeting: PF Teleconference
MC: I will not be able to be in
most meeting s next week - becasue of W3C staff break
... Geek Week
SJ: Where is the ARIA Test Harness?
RS: Spec Review Tracker? Cant recall
SJ: We need to track our tech reviews
<MichaelC> Accessibility Coordination Matrix
JS: We make a matrix, Micheal has made good progress on it
MC: It was a starting poit - but
I would like to create DB tool to track
... That is the tool I wanted to work on during Geek Week next
week
RS: So you can start the Test Harness after that?
MC; Maybe is a week, it might not take as much focus - it exists - I just need to find it
JS: And other W3C members who
could help would be in Geel Week too
... Should we skip next Wed?
RESOLUTION: Next week we will be off for vacation
JS: Task Force will still meet
MC: 1685, and 1689 forr Janina
<MichaelC> action-1669 due 2 weeks
<trackbot> Set action-1669 Look at data on the web best practices http://www.w3.org/tr/dwbp/ due date to 2015-09-02.
MC: Katie 1669 not ready open for 2 more week
MC: I think we are clear on new publications this week
JS; OK
<MichaelC> WebAssembly Community Group
MC We have 3. Web Assembly - a form of pre-compiled JS so it runs faster - but not much activity there. I am not sure there would be much accessibility
JS: Lets not care, we decided before
<MichaelC> Browser Extension Community Group
MC: Second CG is, Browser Extension CG - standarized extension package - 2 message on the list - no chairs - probably dead
JS: Yes dead
<MichaelC> Automotive Ontology Community Group
MC: It would fill a need - too
bad
... Lat Automotive Oncology CG - share data structures in
Automotive. Mailing list is reasonably active
JS: We will need to follow this - and will speak with driverless at TPAC for a possible future DUAR - we should
MC; I am not clear enough - I think we would have interest - I wwill move it to the Actively TRacked Group
MC: No news?
... The PF is extended until Oct 15th or so
RS: Why not SEpt?
MC: It is based on how many objections were issued. This is their estimates
JS: Judy is trying to resolve the 3 against APA and the 2 against the Charter
JS: Who is comiing?
Me
<joanie> I am coming
<scribe> Done both registration and hotel
JS: ARIA is MOn Tues. We may
trade some of it. APA side will be Thursday Friday. We will
balance it
... It is all called
MC: Alex is not listed yet
JS: It would be good if Mozilla
would send him
... How wide a dpub participation are you expecting.
MC: about 12 are registered and that doesnt include TZVIGA
JS: We talked about it last week.
The big criticism it was not clear what would require us t go
through a CFC. We use RESOLUTION but we typically do not take
those to a CFC. What do we need to do for poeple who are not
able to be on call
... Micheal has a suggestion.
... We write into the decsion policy a standard blurb about
anything you have a certain number of ways to object. We would
still have to write this langauge
... If we do go this way we can still formalize or go
back
... It is standard procedure - you can still object - but you
need to read our standard policies
<MichaelC> proposed: In order to minimize bureaucracy, announcement of teleconference minutes invokes an automatic Call for Consensus with a seven-day response period on all items logged as resolutions in the minutes.
TZVIYA: When you send out the invite, can we add a note that there is a RESOLUTION
MC: We may need to change our minutes policy we may need to have the chair send out the minutes and add that there is a Resolution in the mintes
JS: We want a 7 calendar day timeline
JS; Lets put this back on the agenda and talk about it later
MC: I do not want to have that fight today
JS: Do you want to load the comments from last week?
MC: Let me find tham
... I thinke evrything else was
JS: We had a lot of publishing participation. Apple showed up in force
RS: It is nice to know that they
could make the meeting. The one point is around DETAILS I
thinnk it is a good solution - it is implemented in 2 brpwsersa
nd Apple supports it. You can put and iFrame in details and put
a link in there
... So it can help anybody - the compalints about ARUA
describedat is almost solved if we can get Edge and FF - then
we need a vechle to show/hide - maybe with CSS via MQ
... James supported adding this to the OS - DETALS could have a
more powerful solution than describedat - we need the browser
support.
... The facct that you cn do all that makes me surprised that
there was such pushback and formal objection to longdesc.
JS: I asked the ePUB people what do you do when the network is down?
TZVIYA: I am surprised. You can
ask that question about any link. Every book that I have ever
published has a link in it
... Every book and even pbooks have links
JS: Todays books have links and it reads through - you aree supposed to rememebr all that?
TZVIYA: In Dpub we are talking about a package of some kind
JS: If you can pre-fetch
RS: Is there anyway you can store.embed that in a digital book?
TZVIYA: We are working on it
<fesch> scribe: fesch
js: I think I know way Rich likes
details as it gives a path that describedat doesn't
... details may end up being consensus because everyone can
live with it
... details would be an interim solution
... the attraction is what we want in describedat is already in
details
mc: it may overload the details element, may have different presentation, the overloading may be a concern, adding role may help
rs: what is hackish to you?
mc: details was intended for another purpose, if used for other purposes may confuse users, addition attributes may help but may open new problems
js: but they are kind of stuck since you can use an iframe
mc: I have these concerns
tzviya: if you look at the objections, not being able to distinguish what is what is an issue and some may be what is included
rs: but what you are talking
about is metadata which you can create with aria
semantics
... and you could do that in the dpub group
js: and you may want the roles for describedat
tzviya: I think we are all saying the same thing
js: when I hear about chartML we
really want to be able to do have multiple outputs...
... so if it goes to a php the meta data tells it what is
available - whether it is describedat or details
... looks like we are looking for away to get more
elaborate
rs: details has the plumbing - and it can get rendered - so if all we need to do is add some semantics and css to make it visible, we can handle it
tzviya: timeline needed on extended description analysis
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