<trackbot> Date: 23 July 2015

<richardschwerdtfeger> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pfwg/2015Jul/0076.html

<MichielBijl> I'll keep myself muted during my commute ;)

<MichielBijl> I'll introduce myself when I'm home ;)

<MichielBijl> Thanks!

<scribe> scribe: janina

ARIA Charter

rs: Out for review and balloting
... We have some negative comments
... Had errors, i.e. a misread of when 1.1 is finished

janina: Please AC refs to follow through on balloting

mc: SAP hasn't voted ...
... Ah, also Igalia
... Also Wiley

Issue-633

issue-633?

<trackbot> issue-633 -- listbox and tree may contain only static items; badly need interactive widgets that can contain interactive typed items -- open

<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/633

rs: Do we have wrong due date? October?

mc: Believe due to vacation time

rs: Can we advance this? We need to close 1.1

<clown> action-1688?

<trackbot> action-1688 -- James Nurthen to Draft proposal for aria-interactive -- due 2015-10-01 -- OPEN

<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1688

rs: OK, next week

Issue-651

issue-651?

<trackbot> issue-651 -- Allow aria-invalid to specify more types of errors including custom errors -- raised

<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/651

action-1680?

<trackbot> action-1680 -- Joseph Scheuhammer to Draft aria-errormessage property for review - may be at risk in aria 1.1 though -- due 2015-07-16 -- OPEN

<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1680

<richardschwerdtfeger> http://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/aria/aria.html#aria-errormessage

js: Discussed at length last week, several comments on text
... I have now edited the text, removed notes, and merged

rs: Should we categorize live region roles in spec? I cross-ref via APG always
... Any objection?

mc: 5.3.5
... All there

rs: Suggest cross link
... "May" is OK?

js: Nurthen objected to "must"

mc: Form being validated after submission, you want the results at the end, not item by item

ts: Thinking about how might be used in assessments
... Not an error

rs: Can just use alert, doesn't need to be error

ts: Functionally works more like error

rs: Does it need to be bound to something in content?
... Yes

ts: Pointing out there are many scenarios

rs: OK to use error even though not an error -- a best practices
... Could be assertive alert
... One needs to test, because you need to know whether alert/error will interrupt TTS speech, and is that OK?
... Any objection to revised text? OK for spec?

[crickets]

RESOLUTION: ARIA-Errormessage to spec

close action-1680

<trackbot> Closed action-1680.

close issue-651

<trackbot> Closed issue-651.

js: Now we need mappings!

rs: Lucky us!

Key shortcut

mc: Did discuss -- I didn't want to make decisions without rs

<MichaelC> Keyboard shortcut discussion last week

mc: Decision to throw to TF

rs: But this is not replacement for AccessKey

<clown> action-1642

<trackbot> action-1642 -- Michael Cooper to Create aria-keyshortcut proposal to group -- due 2015-06-11 -- CLOSED

<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1642

rs: Inconsistent across browsers, has many issues
... This one is documentation for users to inform what key sequences are available for a particular control

<clown> issue-711?

<trackbot> issue-711 -- Expose Keyboard Shortcut help information to ATs -- open

<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/711

janina: New AccessKey proposal is more elaborate, but unclear how it will move forward, and how quickly

rs: Let's put it out for now
... Dominic following dom3 spec. Are there other gaps?

[crickets]

rs: What happens when multiple commands use the same shortcut? The author is responsible? But what happens?
... It's a bug

js: Mashup is an example
... Expect this also applies to AccessKey

mc: Even with due dillegence on mashup, things can change

rs: Would you put shortcuts in on a mashup?

mc: Often stand alone

rs: typically in iframe
... Would need focus in iframe

mc: Believe yes
... Seem to recall whether the spec intent is that shourtcuts bounded by their frame

rs: Any objection to adding keyboard to spec?

fe: Sighted users aren't made aware

rs: Yes

mc: I always prefer keyboard, especially on tablet
... Don't object to putting in spec, but expect a lot of feedback, and we should call it out

rs: Yes, let's see what we get back
... AccessKey also not shown
... One could create a plugin to make them visible
... Best practices guidance for authoring would be useful

<MichielBijl> I'm still wondering how this would work from an AT's perspective: do they announce them at the start of the page?

rs: Including making them visible

fe: May see underlined char

mc: Matt still awol ... Needs to get back in touch
... James also much on vacation through August

rs: Any concern with action for APG on this?

<richardschwerdtfeger> ACTION: Nurthen provide guidance in authorthing practices for exposing aria-kbdshorcuts [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/07/23-aria-minutes.html#action01]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-1690 - Provide guidance in authorthing practices for exposing aria-kbdshorcuts [on James Nurthen - due 2015-07-30].

mc: We have branch from Rich's proposal. OK to merge?

[no objection]

<MichaelC> aria-kbdshortcuts

close issue-711

<trackbot> Closed issue-711.

<clown> issue-711

<trackbot> issue-711 -- Expose Keyboard Shortcut help information to ATs -- closed

<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/711

rs: Lot got done while I was away! Thanks!

Open Actions

open action-1380

action-1380?

<trackbot> action-1380 -- Joanmarie Diggs to #presentation should mention aria-hidden vs presentation role on raster and vector images in relation to ACTION-1379 -- due 2015-06-25 -- OPEN

<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1380

<clown> action-1379?

<trackbot> action-1379 -- Joseph Scheuhammer to TAC should cover rendered descendants from external sources: svg, iframe, etc. (Compose text and get final review form ARIA subteam) -- due 2015-02-13 -- OPEN

<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1379

fe: Existing APG already discusses this

js: Link?

action-1379?

<trackbot> action-1379 -- Joseph Scheuhammer to TAC should cover rendered descendants from external sources: svg, iframe, etc. (Compose text and get final review form ARIA subteam) -- due 2015-02-13 -- OPEN

<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1379

<fesch> http://www.w3.org/WAI/tutorials/images/

js: Note from jcraig on what should happen in various scenarios

<MichielBijl> I'm now on mic :)

action-1405?

<trackbot> action-1405 -- Joanmarie Diggs to For issue-526 modify spec. to allow non-global attrs to apply to host language elements having the correct aria semantics -- due 2015-06-25 -- OPEN

<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1405

<joanie> "However, authors must only use non-global states and properties on elements with a role supporting the state or property; either defined as an explicit WAI-ARIA role, **or as defined by the host language semantic matching an appropriate WAI-ARIA role**."

<joanie> (emphasis added)

rs: So, that's it!

close action-1405

<trackbot> Closed action-1405.

action-1454?

<trackbot> action-1454 -- Joanmarie Diggs to Add aria-hasannotation attribute with values: comment, footnote, endnote, reference, insertion, deletion, modification, true, false, more where aria-hasannotation has only one value at a time -- due 2014-06-23 -- OPEN

<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1454

rs: Thought we put this to 2.0

<clown> issue-655

<trackbot> issue-655 -- Consider creating annotations roles for comments, spell-check errors, etc -- open

<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/655

Also moving action-1455 for 2.0

Michael will file bug with sysreq

action-1466?

<trackbot> action-1466 -- James Craig to "used in or inherits into roles" should include required states and properties -- due 2014-06-30 -- OPEN

<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1466

jd: Believe I have handled this with Shane, but will double-check

rs: New due

jd: Looking now

rs: If it's fixed, go ahead and close. We don't need to circle back

action-1467?

<trackbot> action-1467 -- Joseph Scheuhammer to Propose edit to issue-522: clarify presentation mentions in TAC -- due 2014-07-07 -- OPEN

<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1467

issue-522?

<trackbot> issue-522 -- Name Computation 2A - bullet 3 confusion -- open

<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/522

<clown> http://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/accname-aam/accname-aam.html#step2D

mc: Same bug !

action-1466?

<trackbot> action-1466 -- James Craig to "used in or inherits into roles" should include required states and properties -- due 2014-07-31 -- OPEN

<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1466

jd: This is mine

action-1475?

<trackbot> action-1475 -- Cynthia Shelly to Work with michael c. and joseph s. to create up to 4 accessibility diagrams showing the application (before and after) of applying role=“presentation”/none -- due 2015-09-25 -- OPEN

<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1475

action-1488?

<trackbot> action-1488 -- Joanmarie Diggs to Propose spec text for allowing aria-setsize="999+" format change for issue-397 -- due 2014-10-29 -- OPEN

<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1488

jd: Will do for next week
... Need to refresh group thinking on this ...

action-1489?

<trackbot> action-1489 -- Michael Cooper to Propose spec text to limit what aria attributes can be overridden by strong native semantics (e.g., aria-label and aria-labelledby) -- due 2015-08-16 -- OPEN

<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1489

s: Oops, august!

action-1498?

<trackbot> action-1498 -- Joanmarie Diggs to Draft "term" role (related to html dfn/dt elements) in addition to the 1.0 "definition" (equiv to html dd element) -- due 2014-09-30 -- OPEN

<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1498

<MichielBijl> Yes

jd: This from before we started using branches ...
... Will do for next week

rs: Next an APG -- should not be here ...

action-1528?

<trackbot> action-1528 -- Alexander Surkov to Bolter to investigate the proper ia2 mappings for aria-current -- due 2014-11-18 -- OPEN

<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1528

rs: Is this done?

js: Yes
... Oops, no. Not done. Has text needing review

<clown> http://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/core-aam/core-aam.html#ariaCurrent

<MichielBijl> It's connected to ISSUE-435

action-1537?

<trackbot> action-1537 -- Richard Schwerdtfeger to Research pulling together a group to address some aapi extensions e.g., getcomputedrole -- due 2014-12-01 -- OPEN

<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1537

rs: What happened here?
... We want computed role and computed name in browser, and asked Web Apps for it
... Will follow up with Web Apps

action-1560?

<trackbot> action-1560 -- Stefan Schnabel to Email list with discussion of on/off value labels (maybe valuetext?) and extending value descriptions to other controls -- due 2015-01-22 -- OPEN

<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1560

action-1567?

<trackbot> action-1567 -- Joanmarie Diggs to Fix inconsistencies in linking to glossary items -- due 2015-03-19 -- OPEN

<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1567

close action-1568

<trackbot> Closed action-1568.

action-1578?

<trackbot> action-1578 -- Richard Schwerdtfeger to Discuss issue-700 in aria task force meeting. -- due 2015-02-17 -- OPEN

<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1578

issue-700?

<trackbot> issue-700 -- Discuss rowgroup, tbody, and thead in aapis -- open

<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/700

js: Discussed in api mtgs
... If clickable, should be mapped

<joanie> https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=146239

js: I filed Safari bug where were interactive

rs: So not this mtg

js: Jcraig objected to row group ever being mapped
... i.e. only occurs in a presentation scenario
... Not sure that's the issue
... Can see where would never occur in presentation context
... Don't believe spec needs to change over this ...

rs: I don't agree with the note ... ...
... You still get inheritance, even without row group

js: yes

<clown> https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=146239

<clown> http://w3c.github.io/aria/aria/aria.html#presentation

action-1581?

<trackbot> action-1581 -- Joanmarie Diggs to Create a proposal for a panel role and modify the group role to be more generic -- due 2015-03-26 -- OPEN

<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1581

rs: ARe we having panel role?

jd: Believe it's messy and we shouldn't
... Don't believe we can make our current group more generic

rs: Any objection to closing?

[crickets]

RESOLUTION: Group role is sufficiently generic and has been implemented as such across platforms, so no panel role is needed

close action-1581

<trackbot> Closed action-1581.

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