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<trackbot> Date: 11 June 2015
<David> Having trouble finding password
<David> :)
<HennyS> Skype dropped for me and I hear nothing in WebX
<marcjohlic> The "Call me" function isn't working now either.. interesting..
<David> It's just me an Jan on call right now
<David> Is someone besides Jan talking
<HennyS> I can neither dial in or get connected to audio via WebX, so that sounds about right.
<scribe> scribe: Jan
(lots of problems getting on to WebEx)
<HennyS> http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/mobile-a11y-tf/wiki/Robust_Techniques
<David> http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/mobile-a11y-tf/wiki/Robust_Techniques
Kathy: We left off talking about
robust technuiques
... Were discussing supporting characteristics of the
platform
... e.g. can set text size in settings but up to apps to honour
that
DM: Bullet number 3? ( sometimes the developer narrows the input, without being aware of all the possibilities of the variety of input being used. )
KW: No, Support the characteristic properties of the platform
JR: So native apps should support
the platform text size directly...
... For web apps, it goes through the browser
JA: Not realistic to support all sizes for all types of text
JR: So maybe technique is to
think about what text makes sense to enlarge
... And then guidance on how to esnsure that the containers and
layout for that text
JR, JA: Discuss different types of resizing
JA: Font size settings are not AT
<David> WCAG2ICT language for 1.4.4 This applies directly as written, and as described in Intent from Understanding Success Criterion 1.4.4 (also provided below).
<David> Note 1: Content for which there are software players, viewers or editors with a 200 percent zoom feature would automatically meet this success criterion when used with such players, unless the content will not work with zoom.
JA: 3 finger zoom is AT
JR: Pinchzoom in browser is not AT
JA: So I guess WCAG2ICT is consistent.
DM: Intent of section is to allow
enlargement without magnification.
... But that was from days that magnifiers were separate
http://www.w3.org/TR/2014/NOTE-WCAG20-TECHS-20140916/F69
JR: Isn't this the failure?
DM: There was no browser zoom in prior to 2006
JA: I've found scenarios to break browser zoom
KW: Are those things we should add to this list?
JA: Added earlier under another
setting
... We've been talking about text size, what about stopping
animation, contrast etc.
KW: Question is do we have any things we really want to have under here.
JA: Challenge here is that sufficient techniques have to meet something
DM: No, sufficient techs can eb "ands"
JA: We could provide lots of
native techsm eg for iOS
... Would be a good place
... Following OS settings does seem to fit in
KW: Would you add anything for mobile web?
JA: You could
... But I'm not sure what you can query from the OS
... e.g. I don't think you could query contrast
... But could figure out if zoom is on
... Apps can do so much more on the native side
KW: I'm hearing that we don't need to add anything for web apps
JA: Well, talking with Jeanne we
were discussing how certain ARIA best practices don't work well
with mobile
... e.g related to key strokes
... e.g. sliders
DM: Do you have an example?
JA: Open Ajax alliance etc.
... SSB lab as well
... VO seems to know its a slider but is not able to control
it
DM: Maybe with a BT keyboard
JA: I'd have to test that.
DM: My guess is that it would work.
JR: BUT still people who do use keyoard (or keyboard emulator) still need it to work
KW: Anything to add?
Ja, JR, DM: Discuss OAA slider
KW: End of meeting, tty next week,
Participants: Kathy W., Jon A., Jan R. Jeanne S., Markc J,
Participants: Kathy W., Jon A., Jan R. Jeanne S., Markc J, Heeni S.
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