15:02:05 RRSAgent has joined #mobile-a11y 15:02:05 logging to http://www.w3.org/2015/06/11-mobile-a11y-irc 15:02:07 RRSAgent, make logs public 15:02:07 Zakim has joined #mobile-a11y 15:02:09 Zakim, this will be WAI_MATF 15:02:09 ok, trackbot; I see WAI_MATF()11:00AM scheduled to start 2 minutes ago 15:02:10 Meeting: Mobile Accessibility Task Force Teleconference 15:02:10 Date: 11 June 2015 15:02:32 present+ Kathy 15:02:34 marcjohlic has joined #mobile-a11y 15:02:38 Regrets+ Alan Detlev Kim 15:02:42 present+ Marc Johlic 15:05:18 David has joined #mobile-a11y 15:05:29 Having trouble finding password 15:06:05 HennyS has joined #mobile-a11y 15:06:52 present+ jeanne 15:07:16 Present+ David 15:09:02 :) 15:09:43 Skype dropped for me and I hear nothing in WebX 15:10:09 The "Call me" function isn't working now either.. interesting.. 15:11:05 It's just me an Jan on call right now 15:11:18 jon_avila has joined #mobile-a11y 15:11:31 Is someone besides Jan talking 15:14:44 I can neither dial in or get connected to audio via WebX, so that sounds about right. 15:16:35 scribe: Jan 15:16:59 (lots of problems getting on to WebEx) 15:17:18 http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/mobile-a11y-tf/wiki/Robust_Techniques 15:17:31 Topic: 1. Finish Best Practices - Robust http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/mobile-a11y-tf/wiki/Robust_Techniques 15:17:31 David has joined #mobile-a11y 15:17:33 Kathy has joined #mobile-a11y 15:18:04 http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/mobile-a11y-tf/wiki/Robust_Techniques 15:18:29 Kathy: We left off talking about robust technuiques 15:18:57 Kathy: Were discussing supporting characteristics of the platform 15:19:06 jeanne has joined #mobile-a11y 15:19:20 Kathy: e.g. can set text size in settings but up to apps to honour that 15:20:03 DM: Bullet number 3? ( sometimes the developer narrows the input, without being aware of all the possibilities of the variety of input being used. ) 15:20:15 KW: No, Support the characteristic properties of the platform 15:22:54 JR: So native apps should support the platform text size directly... 15:23:10 JR: For web apps, it goes through the browser 15:26:24 JA: Not realistic to support all sizes for all types of text 15:26:42 JR: So maybe technique is to think about what text makes sense to enlarge 15:29:44 JR: And then guidance on how to esnsure that the containers and layout for that text 15:31:44 JR, JA: Discuss different types of resizing 15:32:05 JA: Font size settings are not AT 15:32:40 WCAG2ICT language for 1.4.4 This applies directly as written, and as described in Intent from Understanding Success Criterion 1.4.4 (also provided below). 15:32:42 Note 1: Content for which there are software players, viewers or editors with a 200 percent zoom feature would automatically meet this success criterion when used with such players, unless the content will not work with zoom. 15:34:05 JA: 3 finger zoom is AT 15:34:14 JR: Pinchzoom in browser is not AT 15:34:56 JA: So I guess WCAG2ICT is consistent. 15:35:15 DM: Intent of section is to allow enlargement without magnification. 15:36:25 DM: But that was from days that magnifiers were separate 15:37:29 http://www.w3.org/TR/2014/NOTE-WCAG20-TECHS-20140916/F69 15:38:12 JR: Isn't this the failure? 15:38:25 DM: There was no browser zoom in prior to 2006 15:39:18 JA: I've found scenarios to break browser zoom 15:39:51 KW: Are those things we should add to this list? 15:40:03 JA: Added earlier under another setting 15:40:26 JA: We've been talking about text size, what about stopping animation, contrast etc. 15:41:04 KW: Question is do we have any things we really want to have under here. 15:41:50 JA: Challenge here is that sufficient techniques have to meet something 15:42:09 DM: No, sufficient techs can eb "ands" 15:44:40 JA: We could provide lots of native techsm eg for iOS 15:44:51 JA: Would be a good place 15:45:18 JA: Following OS settings does seem to fit in 15:45:31 KW: Would you add anything for mobile web? 15:45:36 JA: You could 15:45:47 JA: But I'm not sure what you can query from the OS 15:46:06 JA: e.g. I don't think you could query contrast 15:46:36 JA: But could figure out if zoom is on 15:46:51 JA: Apps can do so much more on the native side 15:47:41 KW: I'm hearing that we don't need to add anything for web apps 15:48:15 JA: Well, talking with Jeanne we were discussing how certain ARIA best practices don't work well with mobile 15:48:44 JA: e.g related to key strokes 15:48:59 JA: e.g. sliders 15:49:39 DM: Do you have an example? 15:49:47 JA: Open Ajax alliance etc. 15:49:53 JA: SSB lab as well 15:50:45 JA: VO seems to know its a slider but is not able to control it 15:51:11 DM: Maybe with a BT keyboard 15:51:22 JA: I'd have to test that. 15:51:46 DM: My guess is that it would work. 15:52:36 JR: BUT still people who do use keyoard (or keyboard emulator) still need it to work 15:53:27 KW: Anything to add? 16:00:26 Ja, JR, DM: Discuss OAA slider 16:00:35 KW: End of meeting, tty next week, 16:00:55 rrsagent, make minutes 16:00:55 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/06/11-mobile-a11y-minutes.html jeanne 16:01:11 Participants: Kathy W., Jon A., Jan R. Jeanne S., Markc J, 16:01:18 Participants: Kathy W., Jon A., Jan R. Jeanne S., Markc J, Heeni S. 16:01:26 rrsagent, make minutes 16:01:26 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/06/11-mobile-a11y-minutes.html Jan 16:02:46 present+ JonA, JanR, jeanne, MarkJ, HennyS 16:02:56 chair: Kathy 16:03:09 rrsagent, make minutes 16:03:09 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/06/11-mobile-a11y-minutes.html jeanne 16:51:01 jeanne has joined #mobile-a11y 17:11:57 Zakim has left #mobile-a11y 17:12:38 jeanne has left #mobile-a11y