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<rhausam> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B_OSV7VKS60hb3lObTdodGFwcUk/view?usp=sharing
<BrianPech> thanks Rob
<rhausam> that should work for the slides - sorry for the delay!
<Lloyd> (not sure that worked . . .)
<rhausam_> having some wifi and/or internet glitches - seems OK now
<rhausam_> are you hearing Lloyd OK?
<Lloyd> Can you hear us?
<Lloyd> Yes, we hear you now
<rhausam_> are you hearing Charlie Mead?
Charlie Mead: Working with a group in France involved in the use of semantic technologies and making info available through APIs.
Have most of major terminologies modeled as RDF and working on defining disease graphs.
This group would be interested in collaborating but do they have a way to collaborate. They are not involved in the functional aspect of software but are interested in providing the knowledge that drives the functionality.
(e.g., modeling drug-drug interactions, etc...). They are not really into clinical care but more interested in the infrastructure that supports the use of such knowledge.
scribe: including clinical knowledge.
Emory: Asked Charlie to describe the terminology graph work they are doing.
Charlie: 5 main terminologies represented as Top Quadrant RDF terminology graphs using EVN
They are then building relationships between their terminologies in EVN.
Claude: There are similar efforts done in a number of areas. For instance, some of the work done by the VA seems very similar.
Vet: Does NDFRT have an RDF representation? A lot of knowledge exists there.
Emory: No but two years ago Conor Dowlings provided an RDF representation of NDFRT but it is probably dated now. The approach is feasible though.
Emory to Eric: What about the turkish rule working on a disease ontology?
Charlie: A smart group. Eric, what is their name for IRC?
Rob: They might be interested in what we are doing.
Emory: Started a WG to start to restructure the SNOMED tree in a more structure ontology but it did not keep its momentum.
Charlie: This group could bring a lot of knowledge to this group.
They have worked on mappings between terminologies. All of it open source. IMI?
Will reach out to this group.
<dbooth> SALUS group
SALUS - an IMI project.
Great
David: Could we get someone from SALUS group to talk to our group?
Charlie: Suggests that we read up on what they have done for background prior to this call.
Rob: Is there a link?
<dbooth> ACTION: Charlie to contact someone from SALUS group about presenting to this group [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/05/11-hcls-minutes.html#action01]
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Charlie: Do a search for this group
Here is their information: http://salusproject.eu/
Future work:
<dbooth> dbooth: What priorities after FHIR?
1. Terminology mappings/alignment
2. How to align info models with terminologies
Grahame: No standards on terminology representation in RDF.
Need an authoritative RDF representation of this terminology.
Becomes a nightmare.
<dbooth> 11179
Grahame: There should be a canonical representation for each terminologies rather than everyone defining their own OWL models for each terminology
Claude: Could we go further and define a common framework so that when terminologies publish, they publish into a common knowledgebase.
Charlie: Could we leverage some of the work done by the community to help us get there.
Perhaps this group proposes and helps develop this framework provided terminology SDOs agree to support.
<dbooth> emory: How to contribute to use of RDF for modeling or knowledge mgmt? VA is working on concept mgmt . . . KBs to use for CDS or other.
Emory: How can this SWG contribute to adoption of RDF? VA is begining to discuss and implement a 'concept-relationship-service' - KBs that can be called within business logic and CDS used within care plans for instance. To the extent that this is an example of value using RDF, it might be something that WG might wish to get behind and coordinate with VA.
<dbooth> ... WG might get behind that and coordinate w VA.
<dbooth> charlie: RDF allows domain experts for the first time to talk w IT folks about the same graph for the first time.
Thanks David for taking notes
<dbooth> emory: I've observed that too. Ability to communicate w the engineers about the data.
<dbooth> charlie: IBM vocab for routes and dosages
<dbooth> ... Can do a model that everybody understands.
<dbooth> dbooth: Need to standardize the standards to have authoritative RDF representations.
<dbooth> charlie: 11179 got traction because a lot of orgs said "how do we do this?" and people said just use 11179.
<dbooth> claude: why not leverage experience of IHTSDO? Represent the precoord term in consistent way using postcoord equiv. If you do not provide overarching ont, then everyone has to do that coord themselves.
Thank you to everyone on the phone for participating.
<dbooth> dbooth: I agree that an uber ont will eventually emerge, but: (a) it is very difficult to know what it should be in advance; and (b) it is socially problematic to try to impose one from the outset. I think we need to go through some bottom-up experience and pain to get there.
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