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13:15:01 <ericP> Zakim, space for 15 for 180 minutes?
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13:19:57 <ericP> Zakim, space for 15 for 100 minutes?
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13:50:11 <rhausam> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B_OSV7VKS60hb3lObTdodGFwcUk/view?usp=sharing
13:50:21 <BrianPech> thanks Rob
13:50:28 <rhausam> that should work for the slides - sorry for the delay!
13:54:37 <Lloyd> present: Andy SteYou're only choppy when we talk too.
13:56:18 <Lloyd> Present: Bill de Beaubren, Viet Nguyen, David Parker, Michael Vanderzel, Stephen Royce, Emory Fry, Claude Nanjo, Charlie mead, Lloyd McKenzie, Grahame Grieve, John Moehrke, Esteban Aliverti, Paul Knapp
13:56:38 <Lloyd> (not sure that worked . . .)
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14:02:03 <rhausam_> are you hearing Lloyd OK?
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14:05:33 <Lloyd> Can you hear us?
14:05:51 <Lloyd> Yes, we hear you now
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14:09:20 <rhausam_> are you hearing Charlie Mead?
14:09:41 <Claude> Charlie Mead: Working with a group in France involved in the use of semantic technologies and making info available through APIs.
14:10:03 <Claude> Have most of major terminologies modeled as RDF and working on defining disease graphs.
14:11:38 <Claude> This group would be interested in collaborating but do they have a way to collaborate. They are not involved in the functional aspect of software but are interested in providing the knowledge that drives the functionality.
14:12:28 <Claude> (e.g., modeling drug-drug interactions, etc...). They are not really into clinical care but more interested in the infrastructure that supports the use of such knowledge.
14:13:06 <Claude> ...including clinical knowledge.
14:13:42 <Claude> Emory: Asked Charlie to describe the terminology graph work they are doing.
14:14:39 <Claude> Charlie: 5 main terminologies represented as Top Quadrant RDF terminology graphs using EVN
14:15:05 <Claude> They are then building relationships between their terminologies in EVN.
14:19:38 <Claude> Claude: There are similar efforts done in a number of areas. For instance, some of the work done by the VA seems very similar.
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14:24:56 <dbooth> who is here?
14:25:57 <Claude> Vet: Does NDFRT have an RDF representation? A lot of knowledge exists there.
14:26:26 <Claude> Emory: No but two years ago Conor Dowlings provided an RDF representation of NDFRT but it is probably dated now. The approach is feasible though.
14:27:19 <Claude> Emory to Eric: What about the turkish rule working on a disease ontology?
14:27:33 <Claude> Charlie: A smart group. Eric, what is their name for IRC?
14:27:53 <Claude> Rob: They might be interested in what we are doing.
14:28:32 <Claude> Emory: Started a WG to start to restructure the SNOMED tree in a more structure ontology but it did not keep its momentum.
14:28:56 <Claude> Charlie: This group could bring a lot of knowledge to this group.
14:29:37 <Claude> They have worked on mappings between terminologies. All of it open source. IMI?
14:29:54 <Claude> Will reach out to this group.
14:30:01 <dbooth> SALUS group
14:30:08 <Claude> SALUS - an IMI project.
14:30:30 <Claude> Claude to David: How well can you hear?
14:30:44 <Claude> Great
14:31:02 <dbooth> q+
14:32:21 <Claude> David: Could we get someone from SALUS group to talk to our group?
14:32:46 <Claude> Charlie: Suggests that we read up on what they have done for background prior to this call.
14:32:55 <Claude> Rob: Is there a link?
14:33:05 <dbooth> ACTION: Charlie to contact someone from SALUS group about presenting to this group
14:33:05 <trackbot> Error finding 'Charlie'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/2014/HCLS/track/users>.
14:33:06 <Claude> Charlie: Do a search for this group
14:33:52 <Claude> Here is their information: http://salusproject.eu/
14:34:42 <Claude> Future work:
14:34:46 <dbooth> dbooth: What priorities after FHIR?
14:34:54 <Claude> 1. Terminology mappings/alignment
14:35:12 <Claude> 2. How to align info models with terminologies
14:35:27 <Claude> Grahame: No standards on terminology representation in RDF.
14:35:40 <Claude> Need an authoritative RDF representation of this terminology.
14:35:50 <Claude> Becomes a nightmare.
14:39:30 <dbooth> 11179
14:40:04 <Claude> Grahame: There should be a canonical representation for each terminologies rather than everyone defining their own OWL models for each terminology
14:40:50 <Claude> Claude: Could we go further and define a common framework so that when terminologies publish, they publish into a common knowledgebase.
14:41:36 <Claude> Charlie: Could we leverage some of the work done by the community to help us get there.
14:42:36 <Claude> Perhaps this group proposes and helps develop this framework provided terminology SDOs agree to support.
14:43:59 <dbooth> emory: How to contribute to use of RDF for modeling or knowledge mgmt?  VA is working on concept mgmt . . . KBs to use for CDS or other.
14:44:14 <Claude> Emory: How can this SWG contribute to adoption of RDF? VA is begining to discuss and implement a 'concept-relationship-service' - KBs that can be called within business logic and CDS used within care plans for instance. To the extent that this is an example of value using RDF, it might be something that WG might wish to get behind and coordinate with VA.
14:44:15 <dbooth> ... WG might get behind that and coordinate w VA.
14:45:35 <dbooth> charlie: RDF allows domain experts for the first time to talk w IT folks about the same graph for the first time.
14:45:54 <Claude> Thanks David for taking notes
14:46:40 <dbooth> emory: I've observed that too.  Ability to communicate w the engineers about the data.
14:48:01 <dbooth> charlie: IBM vocab for routes and dosages
14:48:15 <dbooth> ... Can do a model that everybody understands.
14:49:01 <dbooth> q+
14:49:41 <dbooth> dbooth: Need to standardize the standards to have authoritative RDF representations.
14:50:30 <dbooth> ack dbooth
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14:54:55 <ericP> q+
14:56:02 <dbooth> ack ericP
14:56:24 <ericP> ack next
14:56:42 <dbooth> charlie: 11179 got traction because a lot of orgs said "how do we do this?" and people said just use 11179.
14:58:43 <dbooth> claude: why not leverage experience of IHTSDO?  Represent the precoord term in consistent way using postcoord equiv.  If you do not provide overarching ont, then everyone has to do that coord themselves.
14:58:45 <dbooth> q+
15:01:03 <Claude> Thank you to everyone on the phone for participating.
15:01:05 <dbooth> ack dbooth
15:01:09 <dbooth> dbooth: I agree that an uber ont will eventually emerge, but: (a) it is very difficult to know what it should be in advance; and (b) it is socially problematic to try to impose one from the outset.  I think we need to go through some bottom-up pain to get there.
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15:25:08 <dbooth> Meeting: Healthcare and Life Sciences, Paris F2F
15:25:27 <dbooth> Chair: Claude Nanjo and Rob Hausam
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