W3C

Protocols and Formats Working Group Teleconference
29 Apr 2015

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Attendees

Present
janina_, Fred_Esch, James_Nurthen, Joanmarie_Diggs, Tzviya, Michael_Cooper, ShaneM, Rich_Schwerdtfeger, Cynthia_Shelly, Lisa_Seeman, Matt_King
Regrets
Chair
Janina
Scribe
jamesn

Contents


<trackbot> Date: 29 April 2015

<janina_> agenda: this

<scribe> scribeNick: jamesn

preview agenda with items from two minutes

Previous Meeting Minutes https://www.w3.org/2015/04/22-pf-minutes.html

JS: have edits from GV
... worked hard to make sure the minutes were very accurate. Will be a nice resource if it comes up again
... are there any further edits
... objection to posting?

RESOLUTION: post 04/08 minutes to public list
... post 04/22 minutes to public list

Actions Review (Specs) http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/open

ACTION-1615?

<trackbot> ACTION-1615 -- Janina Sajka to Review media capture and streams http://www.w3.org/tr/mediacapture-streams/ -- due 2015-04-29 -- OPEN

<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1615

JS: another week

<MichaelC> action-1615 due 1 week

<trackbot> Set action-1615 Review media capture and streams http://www.w3.org/tr/mediacapture-streams/ due date to 2015-05-06.

MC: that is it for recent spec actions
... have some ancient ones we can give up on

ACTION-1616?

<trackbot> ACTION-1616 -- Fred Esch to Review gamepad http://www.w3.org/tr/gamepad/ -- due 2015-04-22 -- PENDINGREVIEW

<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1616

FE: waiting to be closed

<MichaelC> close action-1616

<trackbot> Closed action-1616.

new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html#tr_LCWD

<MichaelC> W3C DOM4

DOM defines a platform-neutral model for events and node trees.

SM: no need to review as a minor change

<MichaelC> UI Events (formerly DOM Level 3 Events)

JS: think we should look to see if the issues we care about have been tweaked in any way

<ShaneM> DOM4 spec at http://www.w3.org/TR/2015/WD-dom-20150428/ has a WARNING in the status section

JS: propose come back to this at another time
... lets record an action

<MichaelC> ACTION: janina to get group to look at UI Events (formerly DOM Level 3 Events) http://www.w3.org/TR/uievents/ - due 30 June [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/04/29-pf-minutes.html#action01]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-1627 - Get group to look at ui events (formerly dom level 3 events) http://www.w3.org/tr/uievents/ [on Janina Sajka - due 2015-06-30].

<MichaelC> DOM Level 3 KeyboardEvent key Values

<MichaelC> DOM Level 3 KeyboardEvent code Values

<MichaelC> ACTION: nurthen to review DOM Level 3 KeyboardEvent code Values http://www.w3.org/TR/DOM-Level-3-Events-code/ and DOM Level 3 KeyboardEvent key Values http://www.w3.org/TR/DOM-Level-3-Events-key/ [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/04/29-pf-minutes.html#action02]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-1628 - Review dom level 3 keyboardevent code values http://www.w3.org/tr/dom-level-3-events-code/ and dom level 3 keyboardevent key values http://www.w3.org/tr/dom-level-3-events-key/ [on James Nurthen - due 2015-05-06].

JS: relative to audio controls would be suprised if there a way to direct it to multiple audio devices

<MichaelC> action-1628 due 1 month

<trackbot> Set action-1628 Review dom level 3 keyboardevent code values http://www.w3.org/tr/dom-level-3-events-code/ and dom level 3 keyboardevent key values http://www.w3.org/tr/dom-level-3-events-key/ due date to 2015-05-29.

<MichaelC> Privileged Contexts

This specification provides guidelines for user agent implementors and spec authors for implementing features whose properties dictate that they be exposed to the web only within a trustworthy environment.

MC: looks to be guidelines. Maybe we can pass on it

<MichaelC> Upgrade Insecure Requests

This document defines a new Content Security Policy directive, upgrade-insecure-requests, through which authors can make this assertion. Note: Delivering the policy as a header allows an administrator to easily opt a set of pages into the upgrade mechanism without touching their source code individually. The legacy content examples above would not be feasible with an approach that inlined the policy into HTML, for example.

MC: defines switching to HTTPS etc.
... can let this pass

<MichaelC> Manifest for a web application

tz: we reviewed this.... if icon is the only issue you have with this then great

<MichaelC> ACTION: nurthen to review Manifest for a web application http://www.w3.org/TR/appmanifest/ - due 1 month [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/04/29-pf-minutes.html#action03]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-1629 - Review manifest for a web application http://www.w3.org/tr/appmanifest/ [on James Nurthen - due 2015-05-29].

<tzviya> http://w3ctag.github.io/packaging-on-the-web/

tz: the concept of a manifest is pretty broad. Recommend looking at packaging too
... then you get into service workers

<MichaelC> action-1629: will need to look at previous threads on this, see https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/wai-liaison/

<trackbot> Notes added to action-1629 Review manifest for a web application http://www.w3.org/tr/appmanifest/.

jn: may have gone through a rename

Community Groups http://www.w3.org/community/groups/

MC: no "new" groups

SM: there is a schema.org CG now which is super active. I am monitoring it. When talking about dpub role semantics is that we might want to find a way to promote role values as meaningful semantics to the schema.org community
... want to loop in somebody else from this group at some point
... I think there is a lot of value here to content developers

MC: will add to list of groups

RS: can loop me in when you think it is time

tz: Matt Garish oversaw the a11y stuff and submitted the testing classes
... can you mention this at the TF meeting.

rs: roles used to be NameSpaced

ARIA.Next Items--Strategic Directions

JS: should i be putting out a 48hr consensus

tz: hold off until meeting tomorrow
... debate is going way beyond dpub and aria
... will have a conversation at the tf meeting. need a discussion as to what an aria module is etc.

js: may not get full agreement but only need consensus depending on what the issues are

rs: we had a lot of additional roles called into question

<tzviya> https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/aria/dpub.html

rs: lets put a link to the rawgit draft
... regarding modularization. the hypens is what we were planning for graphics.
... we worry about this in the accessibility api mappings guide.
... need to figure out how we address it

tz: the prefixing issue - we understand why it is a concern
... the hypen spacing had a concern in general. If that is the way the modules are going forward we need to look at it

js: some challenges that the terms seem unnecessary

tz: epub 3.1 may need to be cleaned up some terms

js: I don't think we will make it b4 the moratorium around the AC meeting but as soon as it expires on the 11th we could be ready

rs: this discussion is getting dispruptive

mc: this is a FPWD have to have ready and approved a week b4 publication. Need to publish by may 14 at latest

need WG decision b4 may 7

rs: we have things in the spec that we have issues on. Making it so onerous for the dpub group is a bit over the top.

JS: can we create an editors draft for call for consensus
... can still make our deadline

ls: cascading semantics

<Zakim> joanie, you wanted to ask if "not make it before the moratorium" includes ARIA core.

jn: asked about multiple vocabs etc.

<Lisa_Seeman> here it is... http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/natural-lang-20030326.html

<Zakim> ShaneM, you wanted to ask about publication

jd: wanted to check that was specifically about dpub

js: yes

sm: a pull request with JS fix which hasn't been merged.
... i want to merge it. will do this PM

JD: if you are cool with the JS then ok. I just want to check the child script and then merge it
... will do it now

<Zakim> MichaelC, you wanted to say I have urgent charter stuff to discuss

Rechartering Continued

MC: there are 3 things i need answers on
... did a quick survey
... 2nd question is would there be concerns if a public group
... 3rd are there objections or support for splitting spec review and aria
... 2 respondants with potential IP concerns
... is it enough reason to tell the group we can't do that
... the plan is for CSS to take the parts they want to.

RS: at the very least there should be a TF working with CSS

MC: not sure indieUI will be rechartered - there may be no home in WAI if APA doesnt take it
... no formal conversation but a few have been taken up

JN: could it move to a CG until someone wants to do something with it

MC: I can't spend time in a CG.

RS: I like the TF thing

CS: maybe there are people who would want to do this in a CG
... People involved in GPII might want to be involved

MC: IndieUI will be discussing a CG. The question is would be take it. There maybe concerns from some

RESOLUTION: we have a lukewarm yes on IndieUI contexts in APA

MC: splitting spec review vs aria
... if we are willing to split should it happen

RESOLUTION: The PFWG accepts splitting the functions so long as the spec review remains a WG function and does not move to the IG

MC: public vs member space

RS: my take is public space

CS: MSFT wants public

<richardschwerdtfeger> IBM wants public

<joanie> Igalia wants public

MC: any objection to the group going public?

RESOLUTION: PF will move to public space

Summary of Action Items

[NEW] ACTION: janina to get group to look at UI Events (formerly DOM Level 3 Events) http://www.w3.org/TR/uievents/ - due 30 June [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/04/29-pf-minutes.html#action01]
[NEW] ACTION: nurthen to review DOM Level 3 KeyboardEvent code Values http://www.w3.org/TR/DOM-Level-3-Events-code/ and DOM Level 3 KeyboardEvent key Values http://www.w3.org/TR/DOM-Level-3-Events-key/ [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/04/29-pf-minutes.html#action02]
[NEW] ACTION: nurthen to review Manifest for a web application http://www.w3.org/TR/appmanifest/ - due 1 month [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/04/29-pf-minutes.html#action03]
 
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