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<trackbot> Date: 22 April 2015
<elf-pavlik> harry, oops! i used wrong channel :(
<Loqi> *sniff*
<elf-pavlik> hi guangyuan
<elf-pavlik> hi JHaag
<elf-pavlik> rhiaro will you join us today?
<elf-pavlik> hi johnbreslin
<johnbreslin> Hi there elf
<elf-pavlik> will you join telecon
<johnbreslin> Yes, just booting up my Avaya phone (Application starting…)
<guangyuan> hi
<johnbreslin> Hi Guangyuan
<elf-pavlik> harry? ^
<guangyuan> Hi john
<harry> trackbot, start meeting
<trackbot> Meeting: Social Interest Group Teleconference
<trackbot> Date: 22 April 2015
<harry> ok, it appears dial-in works
<elf-pavlik> harry yes, thanks!
<harry> sorry for the issues with Zakim last time, it was some sort of system-wide bug
<elf-pavlik> harry ^ ?
<AdamB> i'll have to drop early, sorry
<johnbreslin> Been a while since I did some IRC waving, better than being slapped with a trout I guess!
ok, thanks
<scribe> scribe: AnnB
<elf-pavlik> AnnB++
<Loqi> AnnB has 23 karma
Jason Haag intros self
<AdamB> glad to hear that Jason is going to be able to share some paint points they are experiencing with Activity Streams
just started study group for RDF / Linked Data for <all kinds of reasons>'
<johnbreslin> White Paper Jason referred to: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1zBPKryuF1tXHTI-AYjXd0ctdWoq4o4P-Uq9SAhJfus0/edit?pli=1
scribe: lots of vocab work
... overlap with Social Web IG
... Advanced Distributed Learning Initiative / USA Dept of
Defense research activity
... created SCORM years ago
... standard for e-learning software
<elf-pavlik> http://www.adlnet.gov/
scribe: ADL research org focused
on education and training
... their boss at Pentagon is head of training and readiness
for all of US military
welcomes Dan Romascanu
scribe: usually has conflict at
this time
... works for Avaya
... works in business services; connecting social networking
interfaces
John Breslin intros
<guangyuan> I muted myself now
<dromasca> i muted
scribe: at former DERI
... now Insight Centre for Analytics
... Univ Ireland, Galway
<elf-pavlik> http://sioc-project.org/
scribe: involved for long time
with Semantic Web / Linked Data
... 10-15 years ago set up discussion forum for "social"
... saw the need for social vocabulary .. thus started
SIOC
... been working on it ~10 years
... W3C submission in ~2007
... still being discussed
Guangyuan introduces self
scribe: PhD student with John Breslin
<johnbreslin> Some problems with your audio Guangyuan
<sorry, bad audio>
could you please type a few lines about your interests, into IRC?
<guangyuan> I’m phd student in John’s group and interested in social vocab and social web user modeling
<elf-pavlik> https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialig/2015-04-22#Social_Vocabulary
thanks guangyuan! looking forward to meeting (without echo!) in Paris
elf-pavlik: now, meeting of
Vocabulary TF
... schema.org and microformats are "living" standards
... thus hard to establish dependencies
... diagrams: activities to <this and that>
... calls on rhiaro to talk about mapping to microformats
<elf-pavlik> https://github.com/rhiaro/mf2rdf
rhiaro describes her work
scribe: <sorry, can't understand well enough to scribe>
<rhiaro> Sorry AnnB
<rhiaro> I'll post a link to a blog post
ok, thanks
sounds interesting
<rhiaro> (which needs publishing)
<elf-pavlik> http://rhiaro.co.uk/2015/04/post-and-activity-types
<rhiaro> I've had more thoughts on that since ^
<rhiaro> have had some good responses
cool .. interested to hear
<rhiaro> will be posting a follow up post soon
elf-pavlik: how do activities relate to sioc items to <etc>
<elf-pavlik> https://github.com/w3c-social/social-vocab
<elf-pavlik> https://github.com/w3c-social/social-vocab/tree/master/activity/Follow
elf-pavlik: classes: activity,
qualified-relation
... in "Follow" link, elf diagrams terms and concepts
... invites others to explore this visualizing technique
<elf-pavlik> https://github.com/w3c-social/social-vocab/tree/master/activity/Join
elf-pavlik: another example, exploring vocabularies related to "joining"
<AdamB> are you looking for additional "sub activity" types?
elf-pavlik: when he has diagrams of "containers" that will show relationships between activities
<did I capture that correctly?>
<johnbreslin> third time lucky ;-) ta elf-pavlik
<johnbreslin> via rhiaro: since elf-pavlik has used http*s*://rhiaro.co.uk in all the diagrams, I should probably get an ssl cert for rhiaro.co.uk
thanks johnbreslin
yes, I was saying that your /me comment about elf won't go into minutes
bye Adam
ok johnbreslin ... noted you won't see IRC
jhaag: could you give more detail about the purpose of qualified relation
<elf-pavlik> https://github.com/w3c-social/social-vocab/blob/master/property/follows
<elf-pavlik> https://github.com/w3c-social/social-vocab/tree/master/qualified-relation/Following
<elf-pavlik> https://github.com/w3c-social/social-vocab/blob/master/activity/Follow
elf-pavlik: "follows" is a
dead-end, whereas "follow" has many options
... one is an edge
<elf-pavlik> https://github.com/w3c-social/social-vocab
elf-pavlik: read the "read me" in
that link
... will try same pattern for containers
<elf-pavlik> https://github.com/jasnell/w3c-socialwg-activitystreams/issues/99
elf-pavlik: example from James
Snell (IBM), in Social Working Group
... trying to look at existing vocabs, and take common
patterns
... some vocabs are simple, others more complicated
jhaag: I like the diagrams; very helpful
elf-pavlik: I want to show the
"state" of graph before and after an action or API call
... and what changes resulted
<JHaag> really like the visualization to go with it elf!
AnnB: curious to hear from John Breslin how this relates to his work with SIOC
<elf-pavlik> https://github.com/w3c-social/social-vocab/tree/master/activity/Travel
<no answer; must be not hearing>
<JHaag> what tool did you use to model it?
elf-pavlik: early work on
"travel"
... if you just look at json-ld or turtle, you might miss that
some things don't make sense
... was really helpful to do this diagram
<elf-pavlik> http://vowl.visualdataweb.org/webvowl/index.html
elf-pavlik: use google drawing, but plan to switch to another tool
AnnB suggests somethign that puts out SVG
scribe: next steps: first I plan
to make diagrams for all the data modeling I use on my own home
page
... then I'll look at web credentials for one's accomplishments
(e.g., university degrees, achievements..)
... more real-world use cases
AnnB: how much relationship is there between the various vocabularies?
<JHaag> not much
<elf-pavlik> https://www.w3.org/wiki/Sicialig/Vocabulary_TF/Mapping_API_User_Stories_to_Vocabulary_terms
<JHaag> there is little overlap
<JHaag> some basic things like title, description, etc.
<JHaag> some overlap with FOAF and dublin core metadata
elf-pavlik: that's why I was trying to map between vocabulary "systems"
<elf-pavlik> https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialwg/Collection_Comparison
elf-pavlik: collection
comparison: that's trying to summarize the overlaps
... aiming at 2 containers: people I follow and people who
follow me
... purpose of diagrams is to better understand and make it
easier to explain
... unfortunately Lynn Foster couldn't attend today; she uses a
lot of diagrams
... in Open Value Network
AnnB: how can people help?
elf-pavlik: go look at the
repos
... make "Issues" to ask questions, or comments, such as "this
doesn't make sense"
... all the people working on modeling, can contribute from
their point-of-view
... also to explain how they do <action> in their own
model
... or to ask questions about differences between vocabularies
or models
AnnB: thanks so much to elf-pavlik for doing all this work; for establishing such a good foundation
<rhiaro> elf-pavlik, my immediate reaction is why do we need qualified relations *and* activities? the start and end dates etc could be attached to the activity, right? since activity is an object. Maybe I just haven't looked at enough examples yet, and also I can't hear properly. Also also I have to go now. I'll follow up on github after I've had a more thorough look at all of the diagrams.
ok, thanks rhiaro
<rhiaro> but the original folllow activity still exists?
<rhiaro> and a new unfollow activity
(for new folks... "rhiaro" is Amy Guy, a PhD student in Edinburgh)
<rhiaro> elf-pavlik: okay cool, I'll think about it some more
<rhiaro> I'll also start making some data available
<rhiaro> really have to run now, catch you later!
ok, ciao
<elf-pavlik> ciao rhiaro o/
<Lloyd_Fassett> +?
<elf-pavlik> +q
<elf-pavlik> -q
AnnB: there will be a lot of vocabulary specialists in Paris .. should be an agenda item
Lloyd: wonders about qualified
relationships
... we have multiple types of relationships
... how to define
elf-pavlik: I'm going to try to
explore that using the relations I've got on my own web
site
... going to diagram those this week
Lloyd: Amy's question prompted my
thinking on that
... will be interesting to see your work on this
... seems like she's trying to get at "context"
elf-pavlik: seeking ways to discuss this, rather than define "ONE" way
Lloyd: <missed your point .. in case you can type it in; sorry>
<Lloyd_Fassett> I think we're drilling in how actors can relate to each other and domain specific 'nouns'. I expect that our 'vocabulary' is different by type, which is a good thing.
<sorry to point out that we are out of time>
elf-pavlik: would really like help with feedback on github
trackbot, end meeting
<elf-pavlik> AnnB++
<Loqi> AnnB has 24 karma
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