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<trackbot> Date: 17 March 2015
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<dbooth> scribe list: http://wiki.hl7.org/index.php?title=RDF_Group_Scribe_List
<dbooth> ScribeNick: Kerstin_Forsberg
<inserted> scribenick: kerfors
<dbooth> Last week's minutes: http://wiki.hl7.org/index.php?title=ITS_RDF_Concall_Minutes_20150310
<inserted> RESOLVED: Minutes of Mar 10 approved!
CCDA Examples from John
<inserted> Claude: Will start drafting it this week
<dbooth> Notes from TF: http://www.w3.org/2015/03/11-hcls-minutes.html
FHIR codes = FHIR RDF should use short code?
Eric: FHIR codes = FHIR RDF should use short code?
<dbooth> http://dbooth.org/2015/fhir/json-ld/fhir-in-json-ld.pdf
David: slide 2 - FHIR JSON-LD
what @context should be handled? Best done direct as the other
serialisations. Can't be anything missing or added
outside
... Doing things more natural for RDF e.g. treating "id" as
URIs is not a good way
... Require logic to create and roundtrip. So instead keep
"id"
... Keep FHIR declarations of – fhir:resourceType as
rdfs:subPropertyOf
... slide 4 Most issues seems to be managaeble
... – • FHIR RDF will need custom serializationi to
JSON-LD
... slide 5 Raw Observation -> Fully Understood
Observation
Tony: Back to ID discussion (slide 2) - How about doing both - keep 'id' and create URIs? Is this a win/win with both raw and understood also for identifiers
David: FHIR uses a closed content
model.
... slide 7 - Did find a "bad" thing: Element type depends on
context. FHIR need the ordering of elements to be preserved.
Can this be done with RDF lists to preserve the order?
Eric: Is it a help if the order is controlled by the content model instead?
David: However, downside with RDF
lists - not good for SPARQL and inference
... RDF to RDF translations needed - can this be the place to
use a ordered list ontology?
... slide 10 JSON-LD vs Turtle show that there needs always be
lists also for single code e.g.
fhir:code ( "31419" ) in the middle of slide
10
Tony: Underlying problem: FHIR
uses local names e.g. code similar to name for person vs
organisation... ... Discussion of alternative solutions between
David, Tony, Eric P ... ...
... The profile give the context. Eric P: Needs clever parsers
but this is not what you want to do.
Eric P: Push back to FHIR group to help developers
David: slide 11 with different
options
... Add the push back as a fourtfh option
... Slide 11 - Different ways forward - Make FHIR JSON to be
JSON-LD vs Custom RDF
... A third option - first a very direct RDF translation not
ideal for inference as a base layer RDF. And then have other
forms generated that are more friendly for inferenceing
Eric P: Hierarchies of code and resources seem to be the two core things to manage. Don't see that big step between them
Tony: Agree don't see that big
gap either
... Evaluate the 3 options against the 14 requirements we have
defined
... Terminology binding seems to be the core thing
David: Identify specific issues
and test them against the three different options
... What do people need to see to do the review?
yes hear you
<dbooth> ACTION: Eric to suggest use cases to look at [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/03/17-hcls-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-19 - Suggest use cases to look at [on Eric Prud'hommeaux - due 2015-03-24].
Eric P: Go to the meaningful use cases to nail down ... ... the inferencing we can do with RDF and not in XML
Tony: Patient safety use case ... ...
Eric: SNOMED has hierarchy and LOINC has 7 different dimensions but no hierarchy
<dbooth> ACTION: Rob Hausam to send example of multi-axial hierarchy in LOINC [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/03/17-hcls-minutes.html#action02]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-20 - Hausam to send example of multi-axial hierarchy in loinc [on Rob Frost - due 2015-03-24].
sorry have to leave
<dbooth> Rafael's use case: http://dbooth.org/2014/richards/Linked%20Vitals-20141112-v1.pdf
<dbooth> ADJOURNED
<rhausam> http://loinc.org/downloads
<rhausam> go to "LOINC Multiaxial Hierarchy File"
<dbooth> ScribeNick: kerfors
<ericP> dbooth, do you remember if i was supposed to deliver anything to the V&T group this week?
<ericP> i have a nagging feeling that i was, but it never materializes beyond that.
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